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Preditor control was proven ineffective and damaging to the enviromenmt more then 50 years ago by Aldo Leopold. Watch the movie Green Fire sponcered by the NFS and you will understand. It is not only ineffective and damaging but Alaska spends far more money on it then it takes from hunting licenses. Stop the waste and restore our natural enviroment by voting no!
Most of us are suspect when you cite the NPS and Aldo Leopold all in the same paragraph. Predator management has worked in Alaska based on scientific data. All you have to do is take the time to study the numbers- time and time again the Alaska Supreme Court has concurred with this position.
Why should I as a taxpayer have to see my taxes spent replacing one preditor with another preditor? This is a government expense to give enjoyment to a few "great white hunters". I would bet that many of these hunters are also people that want less government and lower taxes.
Wow, iceanvil,
that has got to be the most un-informed ignorant statement I've heard in a long time. ADF&G's budget is derived from hunters and fisherman by license fees. “Great white hunters” like myself feed our families with wild game and fish, more so than domestic meat. Harvesting Alaska’s wild resources is obviously something you don’t comprehend and will never understand.
Over the years I've read and heard the reasons given by federal and state wildlife managers for the decline of moose populations on the Kenai, usually at the end of the explanations predation is mentioned almost as a insignificant footnote.
But, according to a past study by Fish and Game, wolves kill 800 moose each year on the Peninsula.
My freezer is empty of wild game and there aren't enough moose left that I can even get any by being on the road kill list.
Predator control has been proven many times in the past, and is currently being proven, to increase big game populations, with many recent and ongoing programs in Alaska
If gun-happy Alaskans want real predator control, control humans and cut hunting permits.
Non-native and/or urban Alaskans (including those in larger highway-adjacent municipalities) are not dependent on moose meat to live and blaming low game numbers on wolves is nothing but ignorant scapegoating.
cbeard, I agreed with ladyonthelake's comment about iceanvil's ramblings being one of the most uninformed ignorant statements I have ever read, until I read yours!
I'm not inherently against aerial predator control, but can we really pin these problems on wolves? There are loose dogs, coyotes, bears... all which harrass fragile moose calves. I'd rather see some compelling evidence that this will be effective before we start gunning down wolf packs from the sky. They do serve an ecological role.
The local department of F&G has been very obstinate against doing moose and wolf surveys, so they don't have good current data on the numbers of either. but they do know that there are alot of wolves out there
Wolves on the Kenai eat a few sheep, a few beaver and a few caribou, but they have to eat a certain amount of meat to live and that only leaves moose, when all the moose are gone I guess they can eat my dog but he is pretty small. So that brings us to the balance of nature, the moose will be gone, so the wolves will die and over a 50+ year period the few moose left will began to increase and finally we will began to see moose again, so the few wolves left will now have something to eat,so it will balance out every 100+ years or so.
Meantime with no moose, the sheep, beaver and caribou will have taken their hit. This is a ideal situation, throw in all the predation by bears and who knows how long this "balance of nature" will take to complete a cycle.
If predators are contolled, we can help even out these cycles and there will be a balance that will benefit both predator and prey and also we "big white hunters" whom have eaten moose all of our lives and prefer it to as a healthly substitute to pen fattened beef,whom are also killed for our consumption.
Safe to say that the poll doesn't really mean anything anymore, if the aim is to get opinions from actual Alaskans (and not wolfaboos from the internet at large).
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Add commentPreditor control was proven
Preditor control was proven ineffective and damaging to the enviromenmt more then 50 years ago by Aldo Leopold. Watch the movie Green Fire sponcered by the NFS and you will understand. It is not only ineffective and damaging but Alaska spends far more money on it then it takes from hunting licenses. Stop the waste and restore our natural enviroment by voting no!
Most of us are suspect when
Most of us are suspect when you cite the NPS and Aldo Leopold all in the same paragraph. Predator management has worked in Alaska based on scientific data. All you have to do is take the time to study the numbers- time and time again the Alaska Supreme Court has concurred with this position.
Why should I as a taxpayer
Why should I as a taxpayer have to see my taxes spent replacing one preditor with another preditor? This is a government expense to give enjoyment to a few "great white hunters". I would bet that many of these hunters are also people that want less government and lower taxes.
Wow, iceanvil, that has got
Wow, iceanvil,
that has got to be the most un-informed ignorant statement I've heard in a long time. ADF&G's budget is derived from hunters and fisherman by license fees. “Great white hunters” like myself feed our families with wild game and fish, more so than domestic meat. Harvesting Alaska’s wild resources is obviously something you don’t comprehend and will never understand.
Over the years I've read and
Over the years I've read and heard the reasons given by federal and state wildlife managers for the decline of moose populations on the Kenai, usually at the end of the explanations predation is mentioned almost as a insignificant footnote.
But, according to a past study by Fish and Game, wolves kill 800 moose each year on the Peninsula.
My freezer is empty of wild game and there aren't enough moose left that I can even get any by being on the road kill list.
Predator control has been proven many times in the past, and is currently being proven, to increase big game populations, with many recent and ongoing programs in Alaska
If gun-happy Alaskans want
If gun-happy Alaskans want real predator control, control humans and cut hunting permits.
Non-native and/or urban Alaskans (including those in larger highway-adjacent municipalities) are not dependent on moose meat to live and blaming low game numbers on wolves is nothing but ignorant scapegoating.
Control excess hunting now.
cbeard, I agreed with
cbeard, I agreed with ladyonthelake's comment about iceanvil's ramblings being one of the most uninformed ignorant statements I have ever read, until I read yours!
I'm not inherently against
I'm not inherently against aerial predator control, but can we really pin these problems on wolves? There are loose dogs, coyotes, bears... all which harrass fragile moose calves. I'd rather see some compelling evidence that this will be effective before we start gunning down wolf packs from the sky. They do serve an ecological role.
The local department of F&G
The local department of F&G has been very obstinate against doing moose and wolf surveys, so they don't have good current data on the numbers of either. but they do know that there are alot of wolves out there
Wolves on the Kenai eat a few sheep, a few beaver and a few caribou, but they have to eat a certain amount of meat to live and that only leaves moose, when all the moose are gone I guess they can eat my dog but he is pretty small. So that brings us to the balance of nature, the moose will be gone, so the wolves will die and over a 50+ year period the few moose left will began to increase and finally we will began to see moose again, so the few wolves left will now have something to eat,so it will balance out every 100+ years or so.
Meantime with no moose, the sheep, beaver and caribou will have taken their hit. This is a ideal situation, throw in all the predation by bears and who knows how long this "balance of nature" will take to complete a cycle.
If predators are contolled, we can help even out these cycles and there will be a balance that will benefit both predator and prey and also we "big white hunters" whom have eaten moose all of our lives and prefer it to as a healthly substitute to pen fattened beef,whom are also killed for our consumption.
Just putting it out there,
Just putting it out there, that since about 1:00 on Friday, there's been a mass influx of spam "no" responses from Deviantart: http://Lupinicious.deviantart.com/journal/Vote-against-aerial-gunning-of-wolves-in-Alaska-265775338
Safe to say that the poll doesn't really mean anything anymore, if the aim is to get opinions from actual Alaskans (and not wolfaboos from the internet at large).