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Alaskan reaction to Supreme Court ruling

Posted: June 28, 2012 - 11:49am

GOV. SEAN PARNELL: “On the federal level, it will take congressional action to roll back what now appears to be the single largest tax increase in American history. This tax will not hurt the rich, because they have insurance. It will not hurt the poorest Americans, because it will not apply to them. It is a tax on the working poor and middle class Americans. “At the state level, we have begun reviewing the U.S. Supreme Court’s 193 page decision to determine how other provisions, like mandated state Medicaid expansion, have been affected by the U.S. Supreme Court decision. Alaska can then determine the best approach to the federal law for our state. “I remain concerned about the impacts of the federal law on individual and state’s rights, and with the real life effects of these tax increases on our people and our economy. We will do everything we can in Alaska to limit the impact of Congress’ decision to pass this tax increase to Alaskans.”

SEN. LISA MURKOWSKI: “Today’s news from the Supreme Court is troubling to me in that it sets a new precedent for governmental overreach into our health care choices, and a wide majority of Alaskans and Americans feel the same way. “Moving forward, we must repeal this bill and responsibly address health care in a timely fashion. There are many reasons why Alaskans did not like this bill – whether it is because of the new federal tax forcing every American to purchase a service, over $500 billion in cuts to the already anemic Medicare program which would have further restricted access to doctors and hospitals for disabled and elderly Alaskans, the higher taxes on individuals, families and small businesses throughout America or the onerous new IRS reporting requirements for millions of Americans. “We need health care reform that will help Alaskans – helping them improve access to care; and reduce costs by allowing individuals to purchase health insurance across state lines, reform medical liability so we can limit the practice of defensive medicine, and restructure the delivery system of health care to make it more affordable and accessible. “The nation’s economic path is currently unsustainable, and the rising cost of health care is a major reason for this. America’s health care system is entirely too expensive and entirely too inefficient. I stand ready to work with anyone who wants to replace this law with something smarter, leaner and more responsive to Alaskans.”

SEN. MARK BEGICH: “I’m pleased Alaskans will continue to receive important benefits such as coverage for young adults through their parents’ insurance, access to care for individuals with pre-existing conditions, tax credits for small businesses, increased services for our seniors, improved coverage for Alaska Natives, and even cash rebates if insurers don’t spend your premiums on health care. “While the law is not perfect, the status quo was not an option. Health care costs were skyrocketing and insurance companies were in charge of escalating those costs. There is still plenty of work to do, and I look forward to the State of Alaska moving forward on implementation. “The court’s ruling on the Medicaid section of the law may raise questions for the states, but I believe the answer is not that difficult. The court says states now have the option of expanding health coverage – in Alaska, more than 30,000 people are newly eligible. Because the states will never pay more than 10 cents on the dollar for this coverage, it is a very good deal. “It is time to move past the politics and come together to make the law work for Alaskans.”

REP. DON YOUNG: “Today's decision by the Supreme Court does not change the fact that ObamaCare sticks the American people with new taxes, new regulations and devastating cuts to Medicare. 

“When it comes to the individual mandate, this ruling leaves the American people with two very bad choices – either pay a higher insurance premium or face a massive tax hike. The unfortunate irony today is that ObamaCare was saved because it is a new tax on the American people – which is something this President promised would not happen.

“We must repeal and replace this law with a bill that increases accessibility, portability and affordability for the American people – and that’s what I intend on fighting for.”

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Redbrdee
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Redbrdee 06/28/12 - 02:36 pm
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New Hope - Healthcare Access

Enough already Sean Parnell et al. When would you have been concerned about the millions of people without health insurance in this country? When would you have been concerned about the uninsured in this state? How many people delayed tests and the medical care that would have followed for cancer or heart disease or some other terrible thing and will now die early deaths because they could not afford insurance?

Republicans reference Christianity in their battle against abortion while it is not once mentioned in the Bible (though it existed when the Bible was written) but avoid helping the poor and sick (about two thousand references in the Bible) at all costs.

You want 'freedom' but no responsibility. Several years ago a Harvard Medical School study found that nearly 50,000 people a year were dying because of lack of access to medical care.

Keep your hands off Obamacare!

spwright
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spwright 06/28/12 - 03:32 pm
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The Sky is Falling !

The Sky is Falling, The Sky is Falling. Obama Care is now the Law of the Land !

What are the Republicans going to do now ?

Most Important Question of All :
What are the Republicans Going to Do when President Obama is RE-ELECTED this coming November 2012 ?

SPW

jlmh
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jlmh 06/28/12 - 03:33 pm
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The cost control measures in

The cost control measures in the bill didn't pass. Health insurance will remain expensive, and with rising deductibles, more and more insured individuals will have to put off medical care too.

cbeard
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cbeard 06/28/12 - 04:33 pm
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Lawyer Bonanza

ObamaCare is actually not enough to help Americans. There are too many loopholes left for insurance companies to try to gouge Americans. It's a good start, but it will only be a couple years after 2014 before companies can regain the same stranglehold they have on Americans now.

We need to go to a single payer SOCIALIZED system, no excuses.

dragonfly
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dragonfly 06/28/12 - 06:33 pm
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Supreme Court Ruling

Chief Justice Roberts had to re-write the law in order to make it constitutional because of it not being constitutional under the commerce clause. Both the president and leading members of his party like Pelosi and Reid all knew that the White House attorneys would argue this in court as a tax. The president has been governing with dishonesty to the American people since he took office and has even lied to the more fiscally conservative Democrats in order to get their vote.

President Obama and those in Congress who support him are taking away our rights by governmental intrusion into our personal health care. What kind of a president steals a half of trillion dollars from Medicare which needs reform in order to be sustained? Is it not an over reach of power to have an unelected bureaucratic panel decide on our health care by rationing!

For heavens sake do we still live in America?

This law has already proven to deter job creation and further destroy our economy by adding nearly $2 Trillion dollars to our debt. If the president was an honest man and really wanted to cut the cost of health care, he would have included tort reform in this legislation. Since trial attorneys are one of the Democratic Party’s largest donors they refused to include this in the bill. It is an IRS nightmare for all of us with the exception of members of congress and those who are favorites of this administration and have received waivers.

This new tax penalizes personal behavior. If the government can force you to buy something by taxing you, than what are the limits? Are we going to be forced to buy dental care next? This is how President Obama is forcing us to participate into income distribution. He is taxing Middle Class Americans into poverty with this law and his other radical policies. This is another added entitlement program that we cannot afford when Medicare and SS still need reform to be sustainable.

The 55% of Americans who oppose this law will vote for Romney and I expect the number to go up! When Sen. Begich comes up for reelection I plan on taking out an add to remind voters of this atrocity on an individual’s rights!

robert white
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robert white 06/28/12 - 07:03 pm
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hc

This is going to be a mess!!! just what we don't need right now!!

dragonfly
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dragonfly 06/28/12 - 07:49 pm
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Answer to Senator Begich Comments

Senator Begich seems to have forgotten where the federal government gets its funds. You cannot increase the number of people covered without it being paid for. Why should healthy young people buy insurance when it is cheaper to pay the tax penalty? Why should private businesses continue to pay for health care cost for their employees when it is cheaper to put them into the insurance exchange, and pay the tax penalty?
Not all voters have a short memory. Your party lied about the cost and the method of your party's backroom deals to obtain votes was deplorable.

The only success we can contribute to the federal government is our military accomplishments. The federal government has lacked the capability of overseeing any agency or program in an efficient and fiscally responsible way. Every day I read of some new government fraud. Most recently, tax cheats were given $ 1.4 Billion in government-backed mortgage loans under President Obama’s economic stimulus. Before that, it was tax credits for illegal immigrants. The list goes on and on starting with President Obama giving appointments to tax cheaters. Your party is not even capable of vetting your own people carefully. Do you really expect us to believe that health care will be any different? The larger the government the more redundancy and fraud will take place. The states that are not radical left like CA are much more capable of dealing with health care.

Do you really think that you can change the minds of the majority? This decision has energized and galvanized the Republican Party and perhaps Chief Justice Roberts realized this. Don’t forget what happened in November 2010.

Raoulduke
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Raoulduke 06/29/12 - 04:35 am
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Nov.2010

Yes! Unfortunately the OBSTRUCTIONIST Party forgot what politics is about-COMPROMISE.The Supreme Court majority are REPUBLICAN Appointments.So! complain to the 'Law of the Land'.

dragonfly
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dragonfly 06/29/12 - 12:43 pm
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Shortage of Doctors and Escalated Cost to States

Even after his party won in court, Senator Begich still refuses to come clean with the whole truth while continuing to spin Obama Tax Care in the best light possible. The cost to states for the Medicaid expansion does continually increase and that is why many states will opt out because they cannot afford it. Unlike the federal government, states do have to balance their budgets.

I would also like to ask Senator Begich how he plans to provide the necessary doctors to cover 30,000 more people. Those on Medicaid and Medicare already have a difficult time finding a doctor. With the new requirements under this law, the problem will get worse not better not just with the lack of providers but also with cost of health care because this law lacks what is necessary to reduce costs.

spwright
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spwright 06/29/12 - 02:13 pm
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Alaska's Billions

Fri 6/29/12
14 Billion repeat BILLION Dollars in the Alaska Cash Reserve Fund. Enough to build Our Very Own Gas PipeLine

43 Billion repeat Billion in the Alaska Permanent Fund.

Even more State Income from Oil Discoveries & Production.

DragonFly ! So where is the Financial Crisis here in Alaska ?

Yes Alaska can afford to provide Medical Ins. for the Un-Insured Alaskan Residents

SPW

freedomlibertytruth
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freedomlibertytruth 06/30/12 - 12:56 am
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Land of endentured servants, mud puddles of leeches and moochers

Redbrdee – you could save several of those “dying” by spending your own savings on them. you are a joy and a delight to the middle class, when you demand that other people pay for your capricious castle in the sky fantasy. Go down to the Soldotna hospital and volunteer, and stop by the Heritage place and the cancer center to assist, drive the veterans to Anchorage to the hospital.

Spwright – you keep your obama care, or if you hate the American system so much, go with Michael Moore to Cuba, Russia, Slovakia, Kenya. Besides, republicans are all rich right? They will pay their own doctor bills, you are going to do otherwise, the government is going to take care of you , just like they do the veterans and old people.

Jlmh – with your correct evaluation of the situation, budget carefully, and protect yourself. Government won’t be there for you. Your good sense will protect you. Keep your head when all others around you lose theirs.

Cbeard – Americans have always, and will always help themselves, it’s you sincere dedicated heartfelt party of the people socialists that are on the edge of the razor. A government that is big enough to give you everything that you want, is big enough to take everything you have.

Dragonfly- what kind of president? A son of a communist mother of a drunken Kenyan muslim Luo tribe goat herder. Tort reform, excellent point and rarely heard these days. Excellent report, I concur.

Robert white- as usual…simply put and straight up true. Excellent name by the way.

Dragonfly –excellent report. Remember that you will be SHOUTED down by the left wing progressives in the community that will refuse to let your wisdom be heard. Also the strategy of Cloward & Piven IS to burden the American society so enormously that it totally collapses. The goal is destruction of America. what you are seeing is a Democratic Party success!
You are observing the process in real time. Sorry that you can’t stop it, just look out for yourself, and shrug $

Raoulduke – yelling, name calling, insults, yet no intelligent logical reasoning factual statements presented. These type of Communist propaganda strategies that have been so effective over the centuries. Every dictator used them, because they WORK! Good job. Stay with it.

Dragonfly – Begich is preparing his place at the feast of the progressive party, his plans are to achive his personal highest level of profit, position, and power. You know this is the way of the politicians world.
Lookin’ out for number one !!!

Spwright –yes spend it all, and do it today. The sooner the better. It is so burdensome to society to have people mooching and clawing to get their hands on the money. Just spend it already. Like most people that come into large fortunes, they are broke and destitute within a year. So get on with it.

spwright
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spwright 06/30/12 - 06:29 am
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Freedomlibertytruth

WOW ! Do You agree with AnyOne ?
Ya know one of the signs of Insanity is when Everyone else in the entire world is Wrong & YOU are the ONLY one that is right !

Boy! are YOU going to be ever so [filtered word] Off when
PRESIDENT OBAMA IS RE-ELECTED this coming
NOVEMBER 2012 !

SPW

cheapersmokes
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cheapersmokes 06/30/12 - 07:37 am
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health care

Let me say that this law will not affect me one tiny little bit! But if allowed to go into effect it should be the end of the Democratic Party! This bill exempts Muslims from paying the new taxes but they will all get the free health care services....now why is that? I am sure that no Muslims signed our Declaration of Independence or even fought in the Revolutionary War but now they get special preferences? Obama has to go and he can go back to Pakistan and brag about taking out Bin Laden hourly!

cheapersmokes
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cheapersmokes 06/30/12 - 07:40 am
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SPWright

As a veteran who swore to uphold and defend our constitution how in the hell can you support this illegal immigrant and his forged documents used to run for our highest office! Everything he has presented has been proven to be forged and he has also spent millions to try and hold up ever showing his real ones.

spwright
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spwright 06/30/12 - 10:49 am
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Entertainment

1st of All Welcome Home Sir.

To be honest, I find it very entertaining just to write the sentense :

When PRESIDENT OBAMA IS RE-ELECTED this coming Nov. 2012

Then read all of the Rants & Raves from Republicans.
Glen Beck, Micheal Savage, Paul Fischer, Fox News are going to be so very very Up-Set this coming Nov.2012.

SPW"Airborne"

freedomlibertytruth
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freedomlibertytruth 06/30/12 - 01:38 pm
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only half crazy, if you have it your way.

Spwright – calm down (writing in caps is shouting), turn off your cursing (you notice that you were edited by the computer for your obscenities) and read and process the words. Several people wrote ‘agreeable’ opinions, just not ‘spwright’.
The accepted well known definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. In simple words; continued attempts to apply socialist/communists government rule over a people is an excruciatingly horrible disaster to human beings. You can research history, or watch CNBC for the financial devastation currently in practice throughout the world. Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
And one can only be half crazy by YOUR definition, as the majority of freedom loving American citizens are libertarians, independents, conservatives, and Ron Paul supporters. There is a bright side, you listen to the conservative talk radio.

Cheapersmokes –( love the title) off topic, but of course you know that the majority of your ciggie cost is tax. Federal tax. Things were reasonable priced, as happens in a free market capitalist society. The same thing is going to happen with health care. It is inevitable. A 50 cent package of cigarettes has exploded to $6-8 bucks. Tax.
PS: Of course muslims don’t have to pay. Have you not read the article about Hillary Clintons full time administrative assistant. She is a muslim, and her mother is best friends with the new Egyptian First lady, muslim brotherhood rules.
Hilary Clinton's Assistant Huma Abedin is the Daughter of a Prominent Member of the Muslim Sisterhood. She’s Pakistani/Indian. Her mother Saleha and her now-deceased husband, Syed Z. Abedin, co-founded the Institute of Muslim Minority Affairs (IMMA), established in both Great Britain and Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. It is a group that once had close ties with a Saudi group known as the Muslim World League.
Hillary and Hussein will give it all away to them for free. Thank you for your service with the United States Military, by the way, it is appreciated by many people.

dragonfly
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dragonfly 06/30/12 - 02:37 pm
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Abortion

Redbrdee: You state that abortion is not mentioned in the bible. What about the 6th Commandment Thou Shalt Not Kill? How CONVENIENT for our society not to include unborn, HELPLESS babies in order to ease their inner guilt.

I have news for you, our society is changing, and recent polls show that young people who are the future of our country are changing their opinion on abortion and the majority no longer approve.

What we need to improve is making adoption more affordable as well as continuing to do everything possible to reduce Fetal Alcohol Syndrome babies which are a major problem in Alaska. Many states allow recipients to use government issued debit cards to buy alcohol.

dragonfly
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dragonfly 06/30/12 - 03:38 pm
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ONE OF MANY GOOD REASONS WHY OBAMA MUST BE DEFEATED

REDBREE and other like-minded supporters of Obama Health Tax Care: Obama has not won the war only his first battle. You are clueless as to the will of the majority to defeat Obama. Here are some of the fact and reasons why:

Obama Health Care is all about the expansion of the federal government resulting in the government having more power over our personal lives and freedom of choice. It is also about redistribution of income with the cost being forced on hard working middle class Americans. The largest tax burden will fall on families who make between $40 - $60 thousand a year. It will lower the standard of medical care for EVERYONE and burden us with new taxes!

Obama did not consult with doctors when writing this bill only his radical friends that he has appointed who want to transform our country had any input. He also refused any input from the right and it was passed behind closed doors with bribes. (So much for all your bipartisan BS). Had Pelosi and Reid been honest about the taxes it never would have been passed even though they had the majority in the House and Senate. What good comes from anything with so much dishonesty attached to it?

The number of doctor’s not taking Medicare and Medicaid patients has already doubled throughout the country with just the possibility of Obama Care becoming law and many are retiring early. 60% of employers that were polled said they will drop employee-covered health care if Obama Care becomes law.

Why do you think people with money come from countries with Socialized medicine to the US for medical care? Up until now, we have had the world’s finest health care and you didn’t have to wait for extended periods of time. I’ll be damned if anyone can ever convince me that an unelected panel of bureaucrats has the right to decide what amount of medical care I can or can not receive. You are in total denial of the facts if you don’t believe that health care will be rationed and delayed.

Just look what is happening all over Europe because of too many government entitlements. This administration hasn’t even reformed Medicare and Social Security and these two programs are already unsustainable. Government controlled health care is adding nearly $ 2 TRILLION to the debt (which is already at $16 TRILLION) and it hasn't even been fully implemented.

When our government has to implement austerity measures maybe then and only then will you and other bleeding heart liberals get it!

Health care does need reform and the Republicans have many good ideas to cut down the ever-rising cost without infringing on our liberties. If Obama had first taken on creating an environment to foster jobs, instead of just the opposite, more people would have health insurance and our economy would be in better shape along with the US Treasury which funds the entitlement programs.

bob99507
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bob99507 06/30/12 - 04:30 pm
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Dragonfly and freedomlibertytruth

Keep these great posts coming.The United States can't afford 4 more years of obama

freedomlibertytruth
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freedomlibertytruth 06/30/12 - 06:12 pm
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historical documented verifiable facts, as much as you hate them

bob99507 I doubt if anyone is reading these, however don't shoot the messenger or set yourself on fire over this info:

Abortion clinics were originally set up with the intention of slowing the population growth of Afro-Americans and others racial groups considered mentally or otherwise inferior. quote "We do not want word to get out that we want to exterminate the Negro population." unquote
Margaret Louise Sanger, originator of planned parenthood.

Those were quotes from Margaret Sangers words there, (as you can read and research for yourself through historical documents) like most of the Progressive plans for Americans – Lie, Lie big, and when you get caught Lie some more. Tell everyone it’s for their own good, and then BING BAM BOOM suddenly their new social program is going full speed ahead and no one can stop it.

Suss
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Suss 06/30/12 - 09:16 pm
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Paid Freeplings

It is the season of the Freeper trolls. They will vanish after the election or hit the Ignore user. Someone created some jobs, or Bain outsourced them to a third world country.

MathewCannava
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MathewCannava 07/01/12 - 12:00 am
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Rationing of care exists NOW

D-fly: you oppose the law b/c you'll be damned if a panel of bureaucrats is going to make health decisions for you?

Right now, with our current system, it is for-profit insurance companies making those decisions...we deal with it every day. Care is being rationed NOW.

Where is Senator Murkoski's outrage? Bought and paid for by Premeta BC/BS.

freedomlibertytruth
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freedomlibertytruth 07/01/12 - 12:19 pm
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for profit insurance vs. government employee panels

Better the devil you know then the devil you don’t know.

You know, you absolutely positively know that the one and only motive of the capitalistic U.S. insurance companies is profit. Pure and simple. Every person working for the company has one mission, profit. Whether they are black, white, brown, yellow, young, old, healthy, crippled, liberal, conservative, independent, atheist, Christian, agnostic. Etc. ad nauseum.

With the government employees control of all health care decisions, what will be the motive behind the decisions? You will have an ever changing wave of diverse, often opposing ideologies, with a large variety of personal causes. Their goals, and more importantly the reasoning behind their 'rationing' verdicts will be unknown and unknowable. They will be much like Margaret Sanger. Saying one thing publically, and saying another thing privately.

They will waste and abuse their funds as all large government agencies do, because it is not their money. They can just steal some more from the tax payers when they please. They will pay for stupid wasteful programs with money they don’t have. They will cram millions of dollars of your tax money into their own pockets, and they will never be held accountable. NEVER.

Unlike a private company. A private company has to be accountable. You have options. You have means and methods of appeal.

With the government you have no options, no appeal, no other way to go. The government will have the first and last say, without any further prospects of petition to redress your problems. There is a reason we all say, "You can't fight City Hall." It has the ring of truth.

Use the long term example of government health care that is readily and visibly right in front of you now. The U. S. government Veterans medical health care. Just go talk to one person who has had to use it. Just ONE.

lkpomn912
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lkpomn912 07/06/12 - 12:48 am
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You want quality health care

You want quality health care for free, go to jail. All of your friends show up at one time or another, so you'll never be alone.

radiokenai
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radiokenai 07/06/12 - 07:15 am
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To Mark Begich
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Lets see how PLEASED you are when we VOTE YOUR ASS out of office....

Oh that is right, you don't have to follow the obamacare tax package....YOU ARE EXEMPT because you are in office. It is the rest of us who will have to carry your burden!

Rest assured, you better start boxing up your liberal photographs and obama-attaboys....there is a very strong chance Alaskans will vote you to the unemployment line..

loser...

freedomlibertytruth
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freedomlibertytruth 07/06/12 - 11:22 am
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Marx and Engels wrote in the

Marx and Engels wrote in the second best-selling book of all time, The Communist Manifesto: "What the bourgeoisie therefore produces, above all, are its own grave-diggers."
spwright - Obama will supply you with your shovel.

gfds98765
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gfds98765 07/06/12 - 12:53 pm
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Ican agree with ‘fundamental

Ican agree with ‘fundamental change’ in America. I’d like to see liberals change into honest people who would keep their hands out of my wallet and get a job to pay for your own dang doctor visits. It’s my money and I’d rather waste it on beer, cigarettes and dancing girls than give one red cent to those thieves. If you don’t want high doctor bills get off the dang drugs, put down the whiskey bottle, stop screwing diseased whores, take a bath once in a while and eat something other than candy bars and redbull for supper. Dang it all have you got no walking around sense at all

lkpomn912
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lkpomn912 07/08/12 - 02:49 pm
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Democratic truth, truthers,

Democratic truth, truthers, and statesmen

Bill Clinton: “I did not have sex with that woman Monica Lewinsky.”
*Yeah you did.

Hillary Clinton: “A right-wing network was after his presidency.”
*No, a left-wing tramp was after your husband.

Anthony Weiner’s weiner: “This was essentially a hacked account that had a gag photo sent out on it,”
*It was yours, and it made us all gag.

Al Gore: “I invented the internet.”
*No, Leonard Kleinrock did in 1961.

Barack Hussein Obama: “I killed Osama Bin Laden.”
*Wrong, a US Navy Seal Team did.

John Edwards on Rielle Hunter. "The story is false. It's completely untrue, ridiculous."
*It’s real and so is the baby.

Nancy Pelosi: “Being the first woman speaker and breaking the marble ceiling is pretty important.”
*I believe this one, it explains the brain damage.

Eric Holder on F&F emails: “I did not receive them.”
*Yeah you did and the committee has copies.

Joe Biden: "If we do everything right, if we do it with absolute certainty, there's still a 30% chance we're going to get it wrong."
*do you have a calculator?

Typical Liberal: “You can’t trust Republicans, they lie.”
*Biden says you have a 30% chance of being wrong.

Barack Hussein Obama: "We agree on reforms that will finally reduce the costs of health care."
*****The Massachusetts Executive Office of Health and Human Services estimated that Massachusetts needed $172 million more from the general fund in 2009 than it spent in 2006 to cover “reform.” Then it raised taxes.
So Wrong again.

radiokenai
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radiokenai 07/10/12 - 08:00 am
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Obama is the worst president in history
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But in some instance, I sometimes hope he does get re-elected so Americans who are stupid enough to endorse and vote for that idiot for a second term (see dummy's comments above), then we will all learn a valuable lesson when our country is destroyed from within (which is where we are right now).

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