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School Board hears from staff

Posted: October 16, 2012 - 10:08pm  |  Updated: October 17, 2012 - 2:13pm
Photo by Rashah McChesney/Peninsula Clarion
The Kenai Peninsula Borough School District Board of Education meeting was filled to standing-room-only during its Monday October 15, 2012 meeting as teachers and staff filled the room after protesting the lack of a contract between the district and the two unions. The two sides presented their offers in a non-binding arbitration and are waiting on an opinion resulting from that meeting.   Rashah McChesney
Rashah McChesney
Photo by Rashah McChesney/Peninsula Clarion The Kenai Peninsula Borough School District Board of Education meeting was filled to standing-room-only during its Monday October 15, 2012 meeting as teachers and staff filled the room after protesting the lack of a contract between the district and the two unions. The two sides presented their offers in a non-binding arbitration and are waiting on an opinion resulting from that meeting.

More than 100 people packed into the room at the Kenai Peninsula Borough School District meeting Monday in Soldotna.

The group, made up of teachers, staff and union supporters, spoke for more than an hour about the lack of a contract between the school district and the two unions and how they thought the board of education members could help.

“I feel like you guys wield a lot of power,” said Terri Tidwell, a member of the KPESA bargaining team. “Power that holds all of the employees and all of the students in this district at your hand.”

So many people stood to speak for themselves, or read statements submitted by other teachers and staff in the district who couldn’t attend the meeting, that Joe Arness, board president, allowed an extra 30 minute period for statements.

The district and unions have yet to come to an agreement and are currently waiting for a judgement from a non-binding arbitration meeting during the first week of October.

Buses from Seward and Homer arrived with teachers and supporters who rallied outside of the meeting before packing into the room still holding their “fair contract” signs.

Teachers and staff spoke of having to hold down second jobs to support their careers in education and the skyrocketing cost of health care.

“I have people at my church say ‘You guys make too much money.’ Well, let’s take a secretary that makes — let’s say — 16 dollars an hour. She only works nine months out of the year,” Tidwell said. “They cut back support people, hour by hour, little by little, just so we can make it up. So we can make up what we need to run the building. We take that nine months of pay and try to stretch it out to 12 months.”

Arness thanked everyone who spoke at the end of the meeting but said he was concerned at the amount of misinformation clouding the contract issues between the school district and the unions.

Board members were also told by district administration that money was tight.

Superintendent Steve Atwater told the board that the district was in the middle of its 20-day count for certified enrollment and while its numbers were close to what it had projected, there would still be close to a $2.9 million shortfall and the district would have to dip into savings.

The district’s state and federal legislative priorities were revised an approved by the board as was its strategic plan.

The school district also had to submit a district improvement plan after preliminary Adequate Yearly Progress Data given to the state suggested that the district would move from level one to level two of improvement.

Each district receiving federal Title I funding that is identified as a level two district must submit a District Improvement Plan according to information provided to the board by the administration.

The plan was due to the Department of Education and Early Development by Oct. 1 and covered a two-year period of improvements within the district according to board documents.

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robert white
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robert white 10/17/12 - 02:12 pm
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teachers

Offer a 25% cut in pay and then start recruiting, there are lots of teachers out of work who will move here!!!! no problem

spwright
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spwright 10/17/12 - 03:28 pm
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Better Idea

Robert White I have a better idea.
Why don't YOU move back to Alabama or what ever Right to Work State in the Deep South you originate from ?
SPW

Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 10/17/12 - 04:43 pm
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R. White did you Vote?

SPW you need to stop being so nasty to people before you know if they voted on Oct. 2. or not.
If Robert voted, then your own words say that he has a right to speak and you will listen.
So SPW, is that true or are you being a lier, and know not the truth?
I have a Better Better idea SPW, stop being a control freak advocate and allow others to express their views as Americans, or is that also against your Politico-Religious doctrine?

Mean and nasty is what you are SPW and someone needs to report you so you can have a 'Time Out' to readjust your attitude so you can play better with others with out name calling.

I love it!

Teachers_spouse
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Teachers_spouse 10/17/12 - 09:51 pm
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Some Very Missed Points

While the article did mention the "skyrocketing cost of health care" it didn't mention the specifics enough to show why there would be a concern. We currently pay $456 a month for insurance that isn't an option. And the sad and scary thing, is that we never know if that's going to skyrocket again in a month or so, because of the mismanagement of the insurance program. It is currently set to go up another $200 a month. Now imagine you're an aid who's monthly income is around 2200 a month, once you subtract the insurance alone, you need a second source of income for your house. KPBSD has the highest test scores in the state, and our teachers are the lowest paid. Our district once set the standard for teachers benefits, and now we are the district that employees are leaving just to afford their jobs. It's not that the teachers are being greedy, it's that the burough has neglected the teachers, and ignored state and national averages.

donnalee
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donnalee 10/18/12 - 04:56 am
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support staff salary

It is hard to get by. To Keep cars running, buy food, and basics. And OMG I hit a moose driving home from work--where am I to get money to fix my car--insurance won't cover all of it and I have a $500 deductible to save on premiums. From my salary is deducted 25% for health care, union dues, and 401k. Note: none of this is optional. Then I pay 33% to child support, then I get to pay the federal government. I am expected to live on about one third of my income. Making me very very low income. I am hard pressed to buy gas. Also, the health insurance which I am grateful to have cost money besides the premiums. There are fees: deductables, co-pays, and reasonable and customary charge limits on doctors fees and other. It is hard to find money to pay for these and at times it has taken me a year or more to pay these fees off. Any raises received in the past four years has been swallowed up by benefits--that means raises don't get to our net pay.

spwright
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spwright 10/18/12 - 11:25 am
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12 Month Pay Checks

Thur 10/18/12
Once upon a Time in the Days of Ole.
KPBSD Employees received 12 month pay checks. Their monthly take home pay was reduced in order to provide a pay check 12 months of the year.

Then management decided that could no longer be done because of the PERS Retirement system complications in accounting. That system worked for over 20 years then suddenly it did not work. I would Question that management decision. I would push for a detailed explaination as to Why 12 month pay checks are not available.

Keep the Faith, Keep Collective Bargaining, Stand Up & Be Counted. Give Em Hell on the Picket Line Retiree SPW "Airborne"

Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 10/18/12 - 09:08 pm
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$1100 a month for basic medical

I pay $1100.00 a month from my reduced to 35% union pension i receive monthly for basic Retired union medical for my wife & i.
No vision, no dental, no nothing and i can't not drop this union insurance plan either it's mandatory.
But you know what? I'll gladly pay this to keep Obama's useless Obamacareless out of my life and lives of others.
As a 40 yr union member i understand the protection once afforded workers, that why i left Texas in 1972 and went west to escape bad immoral employers and abusive wages, benefits. Unions were formed to protect peoples rights from immoral employers by church's and other groups, these rights have become totally lopsided now and actually protect no one other than Big Money and benefit providers.
Yes, there are still cases of abuse where the unions do protect, but these have now become a means of protecting people that have no desire to be productive and only have a mentality of the world owes me a living and the union will make sure the world gives me whats due with no work on their part and their dragging us all down as we pay for them.
Make no mistake, i'm a proud union member and fought for others rights when i worked, as i still do retired. But there needs to be a better form of governance by Union Members against Blood suckers that only take and never contribute to expand productivity or a greater desire for employers to hire union workers because they are getting what they pay for, Good Productive workers.
Why pay extra for workers when you can hire the same types that do nothing for less?
This is what Obama wants with his Global Union of One, everyones provided for and protected by the Governments Union of One and those that work are no differant from those that don't, and every one deserves a fair share no matter what.
As a hard worker i don't want to share with others that CAN WORK, BUT CHOSE NOT TO BECAUSE THEY ARE TOLD THEY DON'T HAVE TO.
A question for all of us though.
If Obama wins and impliments his Global Union and Sharing Equally Plan where no one has to perform for anything but be provided everything by the Govt.,
HOW GOOD IS YOUR LIFE STYLE GOING TO BE THEN, COMPARED TO NOW?

freedomlibertytruth
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freedomlibertytruth 10/18/12 - 02:20 pm
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This is YOUR socialist dream

What do you have to complain about? You are all Progressive activists. You all voted for Barack Hussein Obama. You all are Big Union Democrats. You are all left wing liberal socialists. This is YOUR socialist dream coming to YOU in living color.

You are simply devolving into the socialist utopian dream of a leveled playing field, where everyone has as LITTLE as everyone else. You got your socialist medical care act passed, and now you're mad that your cost is going up. You reaped what you sowed.

No reasonable self-respecting medical professional is going to be your slave and work for the priviledge of not being put in chains without a paycheck.

Your paychecks are being RE-DISTRIBUTED to the unemployed in Alaska. Stop whining hypocrites. You voted for Barack Hussein Obama & Sen. Mark Begich. YOU made youR lack of prosperity happen by voting and fighting for
EVERYONE & EVERYTHING BEING EQUAL, this is all on YOU, ZOMBIE worshipers.

lkpomn912
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lkpomn912 10/18/12 - 02:37 pm
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What did you think he meant

What did you think he meant when he said, “A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD?” that B. Hussein O. would make YOU equal to him and his 1% pals. That’s funny.

"It's hard to get by" oh that's even more amusing.

gfds98765
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gfds98765 10/18/12 - 02:45 pm
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suffering under BHO

Poor poor little victims, suffering soooo Under Obama.

Marching & rioting, isn’t that all you have been teaching your brats in your classes for decades? Hate your country. Hate the producers. Hate the business owners. Hate your Founding Fathers. Burn your flag. Tear down industry. Save the pond scum & stop the farming. Shut down all refineries. Stop the drilling for oil & gas. Silence the voices. Hate your parents, your grandparents, your history & the people that fought & died for your comfort & leisure. Lazy ungrateful bottom dwellers. Hippie commune socialists.

Re-distribute the teachers funds, give it all to the unemployed. In fact, take more of their paychecks and give it to the ghettos of Detroit, Dearborn, Chicago, New York, & LA. Vote ‘Dem’

Keep marching, soldiers of Obama, keep on a marching.
You need the practice, you’ll be in bread lines soon.
You want to join the ‘AVERAGES’, you will. Soon very soon.

gfds98765
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gfds98765 10/18/12 - 02:53 pm
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everyone gets a fair share of your paycheck

“everyone deserves a fair shot, everyone gets a fair share”

Now everyone gets a fair share of your teachers paycheck. Good.
You voted for it, now SHARE & RE-DISTRIBUTE your earnings, and stop complaining about it ! ! ! !

"skyrocketing cost of health care" Waaaaaahhhh
Your democratic party of Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Begich did this. YOU did this

lkpomn912
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lkpomn912 10/18/12 - 03:05 pm
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vote themselves more money, higher paychecks, more benefits

School board/liberal progressive teachers hear from staff/liberal progressive teachers.
talking to themselves, among themselves, by themselves, for themselves, about themselves - and it's a fraud.

The family of liberal democrat big union progressive socialist educators, pretending to shadow box with themselves. Fake for show. fraud put on to con independents & conservatives.

THE RESULT: they vote themselves more money, BIG SURPRISE.

Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 10/18/12 - 09:13 pm
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I Vote NO

Good benifits from unions that were ment for Good at first are coming to an end i am affraid and it's not only bad news for union members, it's a Global bad news thing for everyone, about to start any day now this Global economic crash that no union can avert or protect any from.
I would beg for the right to just keep the contracts and what benefits i have for now if i was advising them, and start stocking up on rice and beans and GET THAT MONEY OUT OF THOSE SCAMMING, THEIVERY SCHEME 401K'S, BEFORE IT'S ALL GONE.
Please realize that the days of Union organized labor is about to be replaced with organized Government labor and it's a members only survival of this coming forced OBEDIANCE AND SUBMISSION.

WatchingKPBSD
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WatchingKPBSD 10/18/12 - 05:58 pm
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Robert you're only using 25% of your brain....

"Offer a 25% cut in pay and then start recruiting, there are lots of teachers out of work who will move here!!!! no problem"

Now Robert White takes the cake I would have to say, in the "I'm an uneducated citizen" category. The perfect example of why Alaska NEEDS great teachers.

I grew up South of Anchorage, parents live in Fairbanks, but I live in Utah now and have been thinking about moving back home. I've been watching KPBSD for several years now because I am teacher - and follow events of the district closely. I have to thank Mr. White for finally motivating me enough to say something on the forum.

Two incredibly no brainer questions for you Robert:

#1. Do you really want teachers that are out of work moving to AK and teaching your kids? #2. Do you really think that slashing teacher pay - will motivate good teachers to sign up? Dah. You get what you pay for.

That's part of the reason why public education stinks so bad, low teacher pay tends to motivate low quality candidates. Although there are a few diamonds in the rough who stick it out because they love kids and teaching, for that I say thank you.

"Good" educators will be informed of what the district is doing now and in the past...with what KPBSD is doing....why would any "good" teacher want to move to the district? Especially with reduced pay and a huge health insurance payment ballooning??????????????????

JerriWood
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JerriWood 10/18/12 - 06:59 pm
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Info for retiree healthcare

Under ERISA, which is a federal regulation, retirees may opt out of their retiree healthcare plan and rejoin at any open enrollment period. You are not tied to your plan. Caution should be taken, as it is difficult to shop for health insurance on the open market with pre-existing conditions. The ACA provides opportunity for pre-existing condition coverage for children, but not yet for adults. I'm not sure what the laws are in Alaska, in some states as long as you have no gaps in coverage, you would still be covered. Shop around, AARP and others have somewhat affordable health insurance for early retirees (those younger than 65) and their Medicare supplemental plans.

With that said, the district will get what they pay for. Teachers who haven't been able to work anywhere else in the state or country for a variety of reasons. Staff that don't have the dedication to the community, the school and the students; for them it's just a job. Education never has been a field where folks expected to get rich, but they should be treated with respect and dignity, with paychecks and benefits that provide for their homes, food, transportation, utilities, healthcare, education of their families, recreation, clothing and some savings for emergencies and retirement. They should also be given children to teach who are able, prepared and willing to learn. With parents of those students who are willing to work with them in supporting education not only in the school house, but at home.

Those wages and benefits that are paid to school district employees are spent in the businesses on the Peninsula. Cut their wages, cut the income of businesses up and down the Peninsula. Something to think about. What goes around, comes around.

JerriWood
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JerriWood 10/18/12 - 07:21 pm
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Affordable Care Act and Insurance costs

The Affordable Care Act, fondly called Obamacare, is not responsible for increasing health insurance premiums. As a matter of fact, insurance companies have been sending out refund checks due to their charging too much for premiums. Under the law, if your insurance company does not spend 85% of the premiums collected on direct health care, they must refund the difference. They can't spend any more than 15% of your premiums on administrative costs, marketing, company wages or bonuses for their folks. The cost of health care is increasing because so many folks don't have insurance and the cost of providing uncompensated for them has to be covered, and hospitals, doctors and others raise their negotiated prices with insurance companies to cover that gap in their expenses. These care providers also have to pay insurance for their employees and they have their own malpractice insurance to pay for. And the insurance companies are there with both hands out. ACA is attempting to rain in these costs for everyone. If the KPBSD is a self-funded plan, where they collect your premium dollars and their contribution, and have a third party administrator process claims, provide a network of negotiated fees, then a lot of the ACA has yet to kick in yet. These are 'private label insurance companies'. And any problems you have with your claims or insurance need to be taken to the federal Dept. of Labor, Employee Benefit Administration. Pres. Obama and his administration are working hard to decrease the cost of healthcare for all of us. Kids up to age 26 get to stay on their parents' plans. Screening for many cancers are now covered without co-pays, co-insurances or deductibles. Immunizations are without co-pay and deductibles. Medicare eligible individuals have saved tremendous amounts of money for their preventive care and now get an annual wellness check without co-pay or deductible. ACA isn't perfect, but it's a step in the right direction.

kksalm
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kksalm 10/18/12 - 11:16 pm
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Cyber bullies abound!

This page is ripe with them. All that energy going to waste.
I'd like to thank the thoughtful contributors with the "educating" comments that most likely weren't considered by the
Cyber Bullies
Have a nice day!

lkpomn912
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lkpomn912 10/19/12 - 12:22 am
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Have you stolen their voices

“”I'd like to thank the thoughtful contributors”” You mean the professional democratic party demagogies (paid ones of course) are having to log into local papers to spread leftist propaganda for this union 'teachers' whine.

Go back to Washington
Can’t the local socialists speak for themselves, heck they’re supposed to be teachers. Haven't they memorized the talking points by now. Let's hear from the local teachers. or

Have you stolen their voices, as well as attempting to suppress ours.

THE RESULT: they vote themselves more money, BIG SURPRISE.

gfds98765
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gfds98765 10/19/12 - 12:32 am
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We’ll keep Mr.Robert White

WatchingKPBSD stay in Utah. We’ll keep Mr.Robert White
JerriWood write your stuff in MediaMatters & Huffpo where all your 'people' will read it. We're mostly independents & conservatives here.

JerriWood
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JerriWood 10/19/12 - 04:29 am
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Paid posters

fyi... I'm not paid to post. My family lives on the Peninsula and I regularly read the Clarion. This article caught my attention. As a retiree with escalating healthcare costs through my union contract, I've spent time researching the subject and thought I could offer some information that many aren't aware of. And just as many folks are unaware of the no or low cost benefits already available under the ACA.
Knowledge is power. Sharing it only helps everyone.
Alaskans are neither conservatives or liberals, they're Alaskans. They don't fit into a box, they help one another survive and thrive. And they want the best for their kids, their neighbors and themselves.

robert white
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robert white 10/19/12 - 05:20 am
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Now that I've irritated everyone, how about teacher evaluations and publishing the results. You want only the best for your children then why not cull the nonproductive teachers! and do away with tenure. Maybe get out poor education results out of the gutter!

Teachers_spouse
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Teachers_spouse 10/19/12 - 08:09 am
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Seriously?

So if we are looking for fair pay, that makes us socialist scum? I am not a part of the union, I've not been paid by the union to post. My wife IS a teacher, and she begged me not to post on here in the first place, but I am proud of my wife and the work she does, and I want to draw attention to the district that, I will say again has the highest test scores in the state, and the lowest paid teachers. As for the "you voted for it now live with it", this assumes that all teachers are liberals, very much not so. My wife is the Pastor's daughter, I have taught Sunday School at our church for years now, I grew up in Anchorage where my dad was a teacher and later an administrator at a private Christian School. My wife has been in the district for almost ten years now, until two years ago we never really stood with the union, as we both grew up in ultra conservative houses where we learned conservative values from our parents. But two years ago we noticed that most of her raise was being taken from her check before it got back to her, because the district can't get the insurance act together. My wife now earns nearly 60K a year gross, and we are barely seeing more then when she was making 38K a year. She is a highly qualified teacher, she teaches at a school that has been awarded on the national level, she is very passionate about what she teaches, and who she teaches, she will keep teaching regardless, but she deserves better then what she's been given.

Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 10/19/12 - 10:34 am
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As OUR Dollar declines everything else rises.

As i said i am a 40+ yr union member that can understand the desire for a better life. But i also see where the unions are being used to push america into an out pricing for labor to the point where it is no longer sustainable and will eventually crash resulting in a far worse condition for people than before.
This crash is exactly what we see coming for all of america and even the worlds economies.
Make no mistake it's all planned and forewarned by Jesus in the book of Revelation 13:11-18 that shows a coming Global Union and if you don't belong then you don't have any hope of providing basic things for survival, with food being the main desire by all and controled by the Govt. and it's forced membership.
Hard times are coming and union or not, we all had better yank our heads out to reality of this planned economic crash to force the masses into a single union of one.
As our dollars value declines so does our buying power and with the droughts and floods across america which causes the costs for grains to rise, along with price fixing fuel costs all those feeds for animals we depend on for food and the cost of delivering those foods skyrockets to the point of it will not matter how much money one makes they will not be able to afford anything.
Think how bad things are for those that don't have gr8 wages because of unions and understand Obama wants us all to be like those welfare dependant people dependant and controled by Big Governments Union of One.

WatchingKPBSD
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WatchingKPBSD 10/19/12 - 07:04 pm
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OK, let me learn you...

It’s clear to me now that Robert IS using his brain, the problem is that he has the limited perspective of what most public education parents have, (sorry). It’s not a...derogatory thing, you just don’t have all the information, and I really wish parents did.

Look, if Apple Computers wanted to change things and become more profitable then it already is, they wouldn’t go to the bottom line software developers and tell them to start working harder and smarter. That’s because change happens from the top down - not the bottom up. Changes have to come from the top management, then trickle it down. When you talk about “teacher accountability” you should be adding to that Legislative, Superintendent, Principal, and parent accountability. You really think it’s ALL the teacher’s fault??

If you don’t have a principal who’s smart enough to be able to correct a teacher’s mistakes, it’s the area directors fault for not correcting that, the Superintendent hired the area director and principal, and Legislator’s never appropriates enough money to public education to make a real impact. Saying “teacher accountability” is like hitting the easy button - it’s easy to say for people who really don’t know what else to say. Unfortunately It’s very complicated.

O...and what about parents? Do you think they have any accountability? Here’s a great idea, lets cull all the non productive parents. You know...the ones where when I send homework to the house, they don’t help with, they don’t read with their children every day like their supposed too, they don’t come to teacher parent conf. cause their to busy, they don’t make sure their kids go to bed on time so they don’t sleep in my class, they don’t support me in any way and expect for me to do 100% of all the education that their child will ever need. And I’m going to be accountable for that...for those parents? Don’t think so

So tell me, exactly how do you propose to mark an infective teacher for culling? Low test scores? Your assuming a written test can accurately measure the learning curve of every type of student, I wouldn’t want to be judged for an entire years worth of work on ONE test at the end of the year. What if I was not feeling well that day? Let’s see...um...gosh how about parent surveys, just hope I don’t [filtered word] off some parent who I had to fail their student because they didn't bring back any work the whole year. As a general rule of thumb one third of Elementary kids are behind grade level when they enter the classroom at the start of the year...well... who’s responsible for that? The previous teacher? Your going to run out of teachers to blame. 25% of my kids don’t speak English as their primary language...I’m I responsible for them not catching up to grade level when they moved here from Mexico just 2 years ago?? So, how are you going to pick who’s the “bad” teachers?

What about the “bad” principals? How are you going to identify them? No one really talks about that. What about “bad” Superintendents? Steve Atwater is trying to get the heck out of KPBSD, with the district on the verge AYP probation, a shrinking enrollment, a shrinking budget, and labor contract problems...who could blame him for applying at Anchorage School District. Does that make him a “bad” Superintendent?

My point is - get rid of the “bad teachers” is a really narrow way to think about a very complicated situation.

gfds98765
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gfds98765 10/19/12 - 07:57 pm
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Blah blah blah MORE MONEY FOR

Blah blah blah MORE MONEY FOR UNION LIBS gab gab gab MORE MONEY FOR DEMOCRAT UNIONS yabba yabba yabba WE WANT MORE MONEY.

And we have the union t-shirts from our mob actions to prove it.

You vote for re-distribution, you vote for more welfare & entitlements, You vote for higher taxes, then COMPLAIN.

Stay in Utah, and stop writing SOCIALIST PROPAGANDA in the Kenai Peninsula newspaper. You must be a One World freak that thinks you must control Alaskans. submit obey

You can't understand how your money is worth less. How can supposidly 'educated' people not understand quantitative easing. 'cause your dumb? billions & billions of fake paper money printed by your democratic directorate, and you don't understand, amazing. !!!
And really you can do better than just 4 or 5 BIG RED THUMBS DOWN. work it.

freedomlibertytruth
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freedomlibertytruth 10/19/12 - 08:04 pm
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Don't be silent on anything you pay for

Left wing rants silence polite righties on every issue.

Voting rants on TV are out of control.
In every single TV show that has a left speaker and a right speaker, this happens. Every single time. Every single show.

When the conservative is taking their ‘turn’ in speaking, (after quietly & respectfully listening to the lib) the liberal progressive interrupts, talks over their speech, raises their voice, won’t shut up, steals more air time with their rants, and eventually SHOUTS.

INTERRUPT & SHOUT. It’s time to shout back. Don’t stand silent.
That goes for the post on the internet also. Don’t be silent.

Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 10/19/12 - 08:19 pm
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Dow stocks down 205, hows that 401k?

OOPS! I told you to yank those 401k's out while you could and today the 25th annivarsary of the big crash of over 500 point it starts down again.
Word is 401k's took a major hit today from what was trading down.
I lost a lot of my 401k before the sept. 2008 777 crash and i took out the rest before that 777 crash.
I paid a penalty, but i didn't loose it all which would have probably been the case if i had left it in.
When it comes to spending money on things there comes a time when there is no more to spend or give for services and then what. Our personal finances are regulated by what we have to spend on hand, unless we use credit and that leads to far worse troubles. So is the case with paying employees and if the Obama care deal comes about it's gonna get far worse for everyone and cause a farther downward trend to total economic collapse.
Good luck, but be wise and don't price your selves out of a job.
And get those 401k's cleaned out while you still have something in them, and don't waste that money use it wisely on life sustaining supplies.

WatchingKPBSD
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WatchingKPBSD 10/20/12 - 03:09 am
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It's working!!!!

gfds98765 - you will soon be under my powers of socialist submission and all Alaskans will send me 25 pounds of fish every Christmas for the next 50 years!!!!

robert white
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robert white 10/20/12 - 08:02 am
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Teacher evaluations was a hot topic in NY and is starting to play out around the nation. We have some bad teachers, having said that the vast majority are probably not being paid enough. I hate to see an enthusiastic young person who grew up in this community and come home to teach but can't get his foot in the door because of "burnout teachers and the use of tenure". (those are his words). disappointing..When the virtual classroom comes and its coming for the top 30% of the students how are we going to keep the top teachers..Oh I forgot this is a union issue...

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freedomlibertytruth 10/20/12 - 03:04 pm
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how about a better report card, for better pay?

how about a better report card, for better pay? too fair? too much to ask for?

The Kenai Peninsula Borough School District rates #4 in Alaska.

Alaska State Report Card, Alaska ranking #47. (nearly at the bottom)

America is 17th in the world.

On average 16 other industrialized countries scored above the United States in science, and 23 scored above us in math. The reading scores for the United States had to be tossed due to a printing error. (probably some ignorant yard-ape typing with this thumbs)

Yet you DEMAND a pay raise.
You should apply the same theory to yourself that you do to your unintelligent students that can't read, write, or do math.

They all get a passing grade, you all get the same passing paycheck.
They all get a prize for their self esteem, as they are all equal by liberal theology, so you are all equal in pay & benefits – at the bottom rate.

The U.S Federal government Education system has succeeded in DUMBING down the students, as the uneducated unthinking unreasoning masses are easier to have domination over.

Now they are just about ready to be controlled, ready to submit, ready to obey any gorilla with a stick on a street corner trying to organize them into mobs.

Ps: your 60s Saul Alinsky tactics of changing the topic, insulting the opposition, and mocking people, is stale and ineffective. You do obey the party tactics though, don’t you.
after 50 years of indoctrination, it worked well on teachers huh?

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