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Kenai Police Department tests firearm proficiency

Posted: October 18, 2012 - 7:10pm  |  Updated: October 19, 2012 - 12:56pm
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Photo by M. Scott Moon Lt. Dave Ross and other officers from the Kenai Police Department fire on a target during firearm testing earlier this week at the Snowshoe Gun Club.  Photo by M. Scott Moon
Photo by M. Scott Moon
Photo by M. Scott Moon Lt. Dave Ross and other officers from the Kenai Police Department fire on a target during firearm testing earlier this week at the Snowshoe Gun Club.

Eight Kenai Police Department officers stood in a row, three yards in front of their prospective targets, guns at the ready.

“All right,” said officer Todd Hamilton. “Three rounds: two rounds in the chest and one to the head. You got three seconds … Ready?”

A timer beeped; fingers tightened and pressed down on handgun triggers.

Pop. Pop. Pop… Gunfire on top of gunfire echoed in the distance.

The officers checked their surroundings once the gunfire ceased.

A mere 1.9 seconds had passed. Bullets hit their marks, and the officers passed the first of many drills.

The Police Department held its annual qualifying drills Wednesday at the Snow Shoe Gun Club rifle range. The drills are an annual requirement, but the Police Department undergoes additional training throughout the year. The training prepares officers for rare situations: hostile interactions involving firearms.

Officers tested for three weapons: handguns, shotguns and rifles. Firing occurred at multiple distances — two yards, seven yards, 100 yards, among others — and guidelines varied depending upon the distance.

Range masters, who trained for hours using Alaska Department of Public Safety standards, offer guidance to the officers during the qualifying drills. The day on the range serves two purposes, training and testing.

The Department of Public Safety establishes the tests. Officers are required to pass all tests. If they fail to do so, a range master instructs them through the drills until they succeed.

The Police Department’s eight officers testing Wednesday afternoon passed all drills on first attempt. Every officer, from investigators to the chief, is required to pass, said Sgt. Kelly George.

Pistol qualification drills are from two to 25 yards. At the longest distance, officers are allowed to try different stances, like lying on the ground. Guidelines set 20 seconds as the time limit for the distance.

“That’s a lot of time, guys,” Hamilton said. “Make those shots count.”

“From this far away, it’s challenging,” George said. “If the officer has an issue with form, grip or stance, this is where it will show. The slightest hesitation or hiccup, they’ll miss by a foot and a half.”

At 10 yards, the officers shoot with their non-dominant hands, which simulates an injured limb.

“We go through training on different things like disabled limbs … because if we don’t train, we wouldn’t know what to do in real-life situations.”

The Police Department follows four major firearms rules: all guns are always loaded; never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy; keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target, and you are ready to fire; and be sure of the target as well as your surroundings.

All firearm owners should adopt the first rule, George said. Treating every weapon as if it’s loaded reduces the potential for once-in-a-blue-moon-type accidents.

The fourth rule is essential to officers, he said. If an officer finds himself or herself in a harmful situation, an awareness of their surroundings must be established. They need to account for every round fired.

“Law enforcement situations are very dynamic, and they happen very fast,” George said. “But the officer has to take many things into consideration.”

Officers train throughout the year to prepare. They are given a number of rounds each month and are encouraged to practice alone and with coworkers.

Additional training includes Semunitions, replicate paint ball firearms. Those are used in live training scenarios, which involve movement. The qualifying drills are static.

The Police Department also tries to send a range master once a year to a Federal Law Enforcement Training Center, or FLETC, to learn the latest in nationwide law enforcement tactics. The courses are coveted, George said.

“It’s important that we stay up to date on firearm skills, rules, safety,” said officer Levi Russell. “It’s like anything else. If you don’t stay with it, you’ll lose it.”

While the training is frequent and intense, actual instances in which Kenai officers discharge firearms are rare. However, deployment — removing a firearm from the holster — of weapons may be more common than people realize, George said.

Out of the eight officers shooting Wednesday afternoon, only two had ever discharged their weapons, he said.

“Some officers go their entire careers without having to discharge their weapons,” George said.

Russell said other than euthanizing moose, he’s never discharged his weapon during a call.

Firearms are deployed during reports of burglaries, or investigations of late-night business alarms being set off by someone or something. The officers clear the scene, so a family can safely return home and investigators can work uninterrupted.

This summer, many altercations involving officers have occurred. Suspects have shot or shot at Alaska State Troopers and city officers. Kenai and Soldotna have had no such incidents, however.

The discussion is everlasting regardless of an increase in incidents, and the Police Department regularly receives updates from state and Outside agencies, George said.

“We have an increased awareness, at least,” he said. “The chief will send out information to the staff about situations. We do talk about those things all the time, but we’re not sitting down and discussing increasing rates.”

Following the handgun drills, the officers switched to shotguns. They tested with buckshot as well as slugs. The last exam involved .223 modern rifles, and the officers shot from distances of 100 yards.

The three types of weapons all have been deployed at some point, George said.

Later, the officers practiced active training. For example, offices ran 100 yards then shot at targets — training for another rare situation, a pursuit.

 

Jerzy Shedlock can be reached at jerzy.shedlock@peninsulaclarion.com.

This story has been revised to correct a typographical error.


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normolson
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normolson 10/19/12 - 02:26 pm
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Trigger Finger Without A Mind: A Very Dangerous Thing

“Two rounds in the chest and one to the head!” So our Law Enforcers know how to shoot to kill, but do they know when and who and even why they should shoot to kill? I am far more concerned about the mental proficiency of those who use lethal force than I am about their firearms knowhow. They can punch holes in paper but can they recite the Bill of Rights and do they know what they mean?
Bear in mind that just a couple months ago the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) ordered 750 million rounds hollow point ammo to distributed to agencies such as the IRS, TSA and even to our local enforcers (Google: DHS Hollow Point Ammo). Add to that the growing takeover of local law enforcement departments by the DHS. Doubt it? Have you heard of the National Incident Management System? Just Google: NIMS, what is it? Do you know what Fusion Centers are or why they have been formed by the federal government? (Google: DHS Fusion Centers) Now check the kinds of Executive Orders generated from the Obama Oval Office (www.westernjournalism.com/a-comprehensive-list-of-obamas-worst-executive-orders/).
It appears that the central government is preparing for war, and it would seem that the central government is more intent on creating an adversarial mindset throughout law enforcement than it is trying to engender cooperation with the people they serve. Do the math: 750 million rounds of hollow point for 250 million adults in the country.
Why, you should ask, aren’t these law enforcement officers meeting with the citizens in town hall forums to explain why their departments are being taken over by federal agencies and to what extent they are willing to comply with federal tyranny? Instead of showing us that they are skilled in “two in the chest and one to the head,” how about dialoging with folks to bring back trust and cooperation within our community? How deeply is the federal central government embedded in local law enforcement? Will my local law enforcers march alongside jack-booted federal goons or stand with We The People against tyranny? Perhaps local law enforcers owe us some answers.

Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 10/19/12 - 05:02 pm
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Did they vote and are they DEMOcrates?

Blue hats every where just waiting for the go signal.
As i said many times this chosen one will usher in some type of fake or instagated civil unrest and forced revolt, or immagined revolt so they can usher in their control freak rules to live by, or die by.
The killing of fellow Americans is very near i do think and God help us all when it starts, because it is a signal of the End of Days. OOPS! Isn't that one of the Arnold the Governators supposed fictional movies ment to disarm us of the reality of whats coming Globally? Global riots over economic collapses with boots on the ground fighting those citizens, just like in America springing up every where.
Massive plastic containers stocked for the disposal of huge numbers of bodies, as well as prisons in the woods waiting to be filled by Patriotic Americans of both parties.

My question is how could those that have taken the Oath to protect against both Foriegn and Domestic attacks, as in local police or national guard and others would be Duped into killing fellow Americans?
But then when one reads the opinions of those that would sanction everyone that does not vote as they do, or soldiers like the Ft. Hood shooter that killed many of OUR american heros, then i can see where it would happen. Better question yet are all those that have been brought in during the OWS rallies really Americans who believe in OUR Constitution or are they ringers, as in socialists, communists, Islamists, Nazi and others bent on a One World Orders Total Forced dominance of all humans on earth.
I'm telling you folks Revelation 13:11-18 is coming just like we can see if we would only look.
12-21-12 is almost here, will it or could it actually be the beginning of global troubles and distruction as 89+ societies have predicted it would?
Just how long does it take for a supposed spontanious OPTIMAL RIOT to occure for some supposed fabricated reason to why it happened and innocent Americans to get killed?
I would hope and pray that OUR LOCAL OATH TAKERS would stand against this coming Tsunami against Americnas thats ment to disolve OUR Soverign Nation Under God thats Protected by OUR Constitution.
Somethings blowing in the wind and it looks alot like an Islamic/OWO Winter which follows Islamic spring & Islamic summers, all ment to be DEMOcracy spreading hope & change to a select chosen few nations, just not Arab ones in the Middle East.

Forgive me when i say that i have felt that America would never see a Free 2012 Presidential election due to some sort of planned troubles against America to start that desired End Of Days. I truly hope and pray i'm wrong for a little while longer, but still i worry about those that are not prepared for eternity, not for my self or other True believers in Jesus Christ.
Out of Love for my fellow humans, Americans, neighbors i try to warn of whats coming, i know many say i'm a nut job, i'm not, just someone that wants to help others prepare for the best life available to them and it's not here on earth as everything we have can be gone in 60 seconds.
I beg you folks, plese wake up to what all the Signs are pointing towardsand that it's not Good.

Akrebel907
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Akrebel907 10/19/12 - 06:23 pm
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Concerned

Maybe instead of target practicing the law enforcement should start being more concerned with the increasing rate of meth and meth users walking and driving around in our community. You see them when you go to the gas station you see them when you go shopping with your children....its sadly becoming a common and ok thing on the peninsula...we have patrol officers that get grants specifically to hand out seatbelt tickets and yet the drugs in our home town are increasing out of control. Just an observation from a concerned parent and hard working member of our society

normolson
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normolson 10/20/12 - 05:33 pm
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FEMA is preparing for war

http://www.whiteoutpress.com/articles/q42012/homeland-security-graduates-first-corps-of-homeland-youth/?goback=.gde_1271...

Read this and wonder. These are the times that challenge patriotism. Does patriotism require submission to a central government that has become a threat to the Constitution?

Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 10/20/12 - 07:28 pm
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Cycle of life that Forefathers tried to prevent for Americans

Our Forefathers saw this cycle of life for ALL Nations and tried to warn us of it's eventual coming by giving us directions on how to prevent our cycle of Nationality and Soverigness from going back into slavery to govt. and eventual collapse.
Of course i Truly Believe that Yahweh, God gave these men, OUR Forefathers wisdom in writing OUR Bill of Rights and Constitution as a means to guide us away from this cycle if we would only listen to what was said.
But NO! We will not listen when God sends warnings signs ment to aid us as a Nation under God. What we do instead when warnings come like 911 and the 777 stock crash 7 years later in 2008 is exactly what OUR Leaders have said we would do.
"THE BRICKS HAVE FALLEN.
BUT WE WILL REBUILD WITH QUARRIED STONE.
THE SYCAMORES HAVE BEEN STRUCK DOWN.
BUT WE WILL REPLANT CEDARS IN THEIR PLACE."
Thas exactly what Isaiah 9:10 says that Gods Other Choosen Nation Israel also did when God sent warning signs on them in hopes that they would repent and turn unto him and Pray and he would hear from heaven and forgive and save his PEOPLE.
NOPE! AMERICA IS JUST LIKE ISRAEL AND OUR LEADERS MADE THESE VERY SAME CLAIMS AFTER 911, AND HAVE DONE EXACTLY WHAT ISAIAH 9:10 SAYS IN NEW YORK CITY.
The corner stone for the Freedom Towers was a special cut stone installed with pomp and fair at Ground Zero by OUR Governmental officials.
At St.Pauls Chapel in NY a Struck down Sycamore tree from a steel beam from the towers was replaced with a Cedar tree, also with pomp and fair by OUR Governmental officials.
3 Differant Government Leaders stood and told Americans word for word exactly what ISAIAH 9:10 SAYS. Did they know that they were slapping Yahweh, God in the face just like Israel of Old also did, or was it a unknown declaration of OUR resolve to Have it OUR Way, instead of Gods way?
Warning #2 was the 777 stock plunge 7 years after 911 in Sept. 2008, yet another warning sign from God to America as OUR Economic structure was struck yet again like the Twin Towers. Just as in Warning #1 OUR leaders refused to listen and instead of declaired our resolve to go it alone so did like wise OUR President after the 2008 777 point stock crash as he also declaired Isaiah 9:10 of how America would rebuild and be stronger as another slap in Gods face.
So how is this We will rebuild and replant that which has fallen Slap in Gods face coming along? Are we Getting-R-Done, or are we continuing to decline just as National Israel of Old did until there were no more until 1948 and their Rebirth just as Gods word promised for the Last Days to close out this Era, Age of Time we are now in?
An Age leading into Revelation 13:11-18 and the Forced Global Union and death to all that refuse to join this LAST HUMAN POLITICO-RELIGIOUS govt. leading into Gods POLITICO-RELIGIOUS ETERNAL GOVT. FOR A SELECT FEW CRAZY BELIEVERS IN JESUS, RATHER THAN MANKIND.

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steelhorse 10/21/12 - 12:00 pm
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Instead of just firearm training

they should also be thoroughly trained in crisis diffusion and have more empathy for the citizens they serve.

Often times, police officers tend to escalate rather than diffuse situations that could be managed in a compassionate and effective manner.

The should be trained more comprehensively to treat the citizens they serve as if they were one of their own because I know for a fact that they don't receive that kind of training.

The mentality is often "us against them" them being the civilians unless they know you personally.

When I was a young officer in another state the veteran officers that mentored me and the rest of my recruit mates had to reel us in and teach us that the people were US and we were them and to be licensed and certified with the authority to take take their life or freedom wasn't to be taken lightly at all. That it was a HUGE responsibility and it was always, always better to try to talk people down from making the situation worse instead of going in with guns and cuffs blazing.

I understand the need for training, but this is one area many law enforcement communities lack.

Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 10/21/12 - 02:10 pm
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TWO MONTHS TILL 12-21-12

All i know is that MY GOD is in total control and everythings gonna be alright for everyone that believes in his promises.
God raises up Kings & Rulers and he also tares them down all in accordance to his will, not theirs or ours.
I have said from Day 1 that this chosen one would usher in a revolt or civil war of some kind before we reached 2012's election or his leaving office in 2013.
From every thing i see pointing to the Writings on the Wall, troubles are coming to America and Globally and October to January could just be ripe for that to happen.
12-21-12 is 2 months off and Jesus as well as 89 others pointed towards the future when this Age of time we are in would end.
We are in whats known as the Age of Grace for salvation to all that would accept what jesus did on Calvarys cross to redeem us from the Law which was ment to condemn all, not save any.
It's been 2000 yrs or 2 Days according to 2 Peter 3:8 where it shows that a day is as 1000 yrs to God, so 2000 yrs by simple math means 2 days and God has promised to raise up the scattered Nation of Israel to start day 3 or the last 1000 yrs.
The world news is already warning of riots and mass distruction if Obama was to lose and that could be why Obama seems to be throwing this election to bring about that final act for our down fall and blame it on the white man Romney.
Jesus warned of these days we see in Matthew 24; and so did many others, so do ya think that JUST MAYBE they could be right and now is tha time of the End of the Age, not of civilation??
People suffer from lack of understand and knowledge and we see thats true every where.

normolson
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normolson 10/21/12 - 02:59 pm
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Letter To The Editor

I sent my original reply (first on this comments list) to the editor just a few hours after the article appeared. I wonder whether they'll print it on Monday or Tuesday... I'm not sure where the Peninsula Clarion stands nowadays... newspapers have always been unpredicable in the political winds of changing public opinion. Steelhorse makes the same observation that I have. Those who are given the grave responsibility of the use of lethal force need far more than gun handling training. The use of a firearm should be the LAST of all options (as Steelhorse points out). Cops today are not trained in crisis or stress mitigation. Because they are told to take immediate control of a situation and because they have their Glock already pulled from its holster, they are more apt to speak from behind their firearm and therefore more apt to pull the trigger.
While I wouldn't suggest that cops go unarmed, I do believe their mental state of mind is changed when their gun is drawn.

lkpomn912
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lkpomn912 10/21/12 - 03:45 pm
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Firearms skills are tested by

Firearms skills are tested by public safety officers - mandatory!
Nothing to see here. They need to stay alive to help the public.

gfds98765
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gfds98765 10/21/12 - 03:58 pm
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Officers learn weapons

Officers learn weapons proficiency to SAVE THEMSELVES, they only respond after you are a victim, not before.

Steelhorse:”” The mentality is often "us against them" them being the civilians unless they know you personally.””

GOOD FOR THE COPS. Storm the fort. Take the Hill. Stop the bad guys. Get the scum off the street. Peninsula Cops & Troopers are doing a fine job.

For you civilians, if bad stuff happens and the cops ride in,
KEEP DOWN, KEEP CALM, LAY LOW. LET THEM DO THEIR JOB.
Yet use your head, be alert, be aware, be ready, stay alive.
But don’t make yourself look like a threat, or enemy of the responding officers. They are searching for the rats & rattlesnakes.

freedomlibertytruth
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freedomlibertytruth 10/21/12 - 04:21 pm
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Practice makes PERMANENT,

Practice makes PERMANENT, practice does not make perfect.
Keep practicing proper techniques, using good judgment in your ‘shoot don’t shoot’. incorporating correct tactics.

What you practice correctly, and practice often, in non stress situations will give you a broader map of correct actions in stress situations.

Gfds98765:“”Officers learn weapons proficiency to SAVE THEMSELVES, they only respond after you are a victim, not before.””

DARN RIGHT. We have to protect ourselves! as well as we can. If only to hold off the low-life degenrate filth until the troops can arrive and do their job. Keep up the good work Officers.

Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 10/22/12 - 06:00 am
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Good points but, what if you've been classed as filth somehow?

So who decides who is who in this class warfare, and i am pretty sure that i have seen good people only wanting answers being abused in other countries and even America as they sit and are sprayed in the face with pepper spray as the officer laughs. Rights to assemble are under attack and no one knows the rules for sure any more.
Remember everything we say can and will be used against us here on earth and in heaven alike and just as God records everything we say and do, so does Big Govt. now.
The way people turn in others and falsley accuse them out of spite or politico-religious beliefs has gone the way of nations like Russia, Germany, China, and all other Dictatorial nations and only True Citizens of the State are welcome in the UNION.
As i said i hope that these OATH takers that have sworn to protect are aware of what they may be asked to do to other Americans when the FALSE ELECTRONIC REPORTS START FILLING IN AND THERE DEMANDED TO ACT TO STOP SUPPOSED ENEMIES OF THE STATE.
As i said before WHO DECIDES WHO IS WHO AND CAN WE TRUST THERE DECISIONS?

Trouble is coming after this election i do fear and it's not gonna be pretty for any American, God forgive us our desire to remove you from our lives and for our dependance on men that can save no one, not even self from the wrath to come on earth as Revelation 12:12 says is coming and many others have said that 12-21-12 is that day.

WICKED THIS WAY DOES COME!

With the attitude of some that blog here wanting to be on the jury against me to convict me because i differ from them all for supposed things i did not say, AS WELL AS TRUE THINGS I DID SAY.
My words are now words they twisted around for their own agenda of controling others into submission and obediance unto laws of men, rather than laws of God does make one wonder just WHO WILL DECIDE WHO IS WHO IN THIS FILTHY FIGHT THATS COMING.
So WHO can we trust? It sure isn't always those that are supposed to be fighting for OUR Freedoms at every level, now is it as we watch daily news about those that have crossed over to the dark side after taking that OATH to protect and are actually fighting against OUR Soverign Rights as a Nation of Free people, instead of fighting for those rights.

normolson
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normolson 10/22/12 - 02:45 pm
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LE Is Doing A Fine Job

"GOOD FOR THE COPS. Storm the fort. Take the Hill. Stop the bad guys. Get the scum off the street. Peninsula Cops & Troopers are doing a fine job."

Maybe so, maybe not. If they are doing such a fine job, why not project that feeling into a dialogue with the public. Why hasn't there ever been a casual meeting with the public to get to know them, explain their responsibilities, explain their fail-safes to LE abuses, explain whether they have any knowledge of the Constitution or Bill of Rights, etc. etc.

Is part of their mystic and power the way they "hide" among the public? What's wrong with getting to know the "cop on the beat?"

Wait until something goes wrong. It will, be sure of it, and when it does there will be an investigation. God forbid that some teen-age kid gets gunned down because the cops with drawn guns project their power first rather than exercising crisis mitigation skills.

normolson
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normolson 10/22/12 - 02:55 pm
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Stayin' Alive

"Firearms skills are tested by public safety officers - mandatory! Nothing to see here. They need to stay alive to help the public."

This statement presupposes that there are people out there who want to kill them. That kind of thinking PROMOTES a "use of deadly force" as a means of defense. LE should never exercise their weapons or close-order fighting skills to just stay alive. Their job is potentially dangerous, and they know it. But if staying alive is their primary objective, they will be even more prone to resort to "shoot first."

The notion that cops train to merely stay alive is a VERY dangerous assumption and certainly not what local law enforcement should be about. Soldiers are taught to stay alive because in war the objective is to kill the enemy.

Ask any local cop how he/she determines WHO is an enemy worthy of being killed. Those who are hired directly from the ranks of returning soldiers based on their experience are timebombs of mahem.

Our local cops are NOT soldiers. They should be friends and comrads AGAINST the forces of evil, corruption, and tyranny.

Anyone want to talk about the "blue code of silence"?

normolson
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normolson 10/22/12 - 03:21 pm
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Here's some questions that LE should answer

Okay, so our local LE can shoot and qualify. That's fine. And I'm sure that the public will have opportunity to see the results of their proficiency (as the Clarion showed by displaying the target)... But:
What about the psychological testing all pre-employment candidates must go through? What about their level of over-agressiveness? Who, by the way, evaluates candidates for employement as law enforcement? How do we, the public, know that a local cop or Trooper doesn't have that "mean agressive streak" that might surface in a stress situation?
During pre-employment evaluation, the following subjects are explored:
Educational history
• Employment history
• Compliance with laws and regulations
• Recent illegal substance use
• Interpersonal and familial interactions
• Financial difficulties
• Self-perceived strengths and weaknesses
• Reasons for wanting to work in a public safety position
• Professional goals
• Psychologically relevant medical history (any psychological or psychiatric treatment and medication history, alcohol use and abuse, legal and illegal drug use, trauma history, sexual misconduct, domestic violence, and suicidal ideation or attempts)

-- That may be fine, but who does the evaluations? How do we know that there isn't a SOLDIER in the group who thinks that the public is their inherent enemy? What protection does the public have from a potential "killer cop"?

Say it isn't so all you want, but you might want to explore the many questions about the mental health of those who use firearms and lethal force to "keep the peace." Give a look at:
http://www.policechiefmagazine.org/magazine/index.cfm?fuseaction=display&article_id=2448&issue_id=82011

It's the psychological assessment of potential law enforcement employees.

Sure, they can kill us, but do they REALLY think it is necessary?

Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 10/22/12 - 06:15 pm
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Is that you SPW, Norseman or possibly Leewaytoo?

Just wonder out loud here from those that have given thumbs down on Norm and my posts and wonder if they might be past military freedom fighters for Foriegners rights, yet refuse to fight for or allow Fellow Americans exercise OUR Rights Afforded us ALL under the Constitution and Bill of Rights founded under God. Fellings hurters!
I would venture to say that there are some locally that would put a bullet in Fellow Americans or do other things to stiffle our voices of WARNINGS of coming troubles.
Just WHO can be trusted to defend OUR Rights that many SUPPOSED Freedom Fighting Americans want to strip us of at every turn.
I appreciate our local and State law inforcement as well as our Military in all levels and pray they will search out what they are told about others as to whether it's true or false and act accordingly to Serve & Protect according to the OATH they all took.
Remember that just because someone took an OATH to protect Americans, does not mean that they really mean it and actually fight against Americas Freedoms under the radar so destroy quietly under protection of our laws ment to protect the innocent, but now protects the evil desire of those that would do others much harm and do so daily every where.
It's hard to know who to trust.

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BigRedDog 10/23/12 - 06:06 am
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Live bye the sword

My Uncle was a Cop, and it can be a very rewarding as well as a very dangerous line of work. He was the Sheriff, Under-sheriff, or Cheif of Police, in Kingfisher County Oklahoma for some 23 years. I remember my cousins worried when they heard of trouble because they knew he wouldn't be standing back watching things happen, he'd be taking care of business. And it was his business to keep that county safe. If it bothers you that a Cop is good with the two or three main hand tools of thier trade that's stupid. It would bother me more if I thought they were not. Because if you haven't noticed there are a lot of CRAZY end of the road zombies out there. And to be overconcerned about some end times plan to have these fine folks turn those guns on the folks they have been paid to protect is a FaRRRRRR REACHHH!
I have one question my Uncle told me I should get clear with local Cops. If I just happen to be on my way to the range and notice an officer making a traffic stop. As I approach the rear window is blown out as the officer approaches knocking the officer down. The driver leaps out with pistol drawn and attempts to approach the fallen officer laying between the vehicles.Just how much trouble will I be in when I pull my trusty 1911 pin gun and capp both the driver and his shotgun toating passenger? I asked the officer if they are okay? She said it all hit her vest! How much trouble will I be in for driving of before those gang bangers find out who I am and come back and shoot my kids? You see that is what we are faced with in the world today.
My Uncle told me of an Okie who assisted an officer gunned down by a banger living next door. When he heard the shooting he armed himself and went out on the front porch. A gang banger had shot the officer and was moving to get a better shot when the nieghbor took him down with his shotgun. The officer lived but the neighbor was killed in a drive by within a few months. Moral of the story is, this is a dangerous time to be living in America, and if we have knowledgeable people taking those risks to make our lives safer I want them to practice! You see most of them have a family to. Justa few years back on Christmas Eve, Kenai lost an officer killed in the line of duty checking out some weird herald posible DV. He left a daughter who has grown up without her Dad because some jerk had a bad day. The guy wasn't even armed but some how wrestled the officers weapon and turned it on him while he sat in the car.
When I was in the Alaska Army National Guard the Genaral of the ANG came to see the new Armory. I had just returned from Basic Training at Fort Ord California. Where locals were all upset about the new and coming gun control messures being started there. I asked he AG just how much trouble I'll be in when they have us come to collect the guns from the public, and I say DROP DEAD!
He smiled and said he was very happy somebody asked that question. He said we will do the Turkish Guard act! They used foreign guards as it was unsafe to trust the local rebells infiltrating the ranks. Then explained how the Czar of Russia was celebrating Easter or some holiday when the locals all started to revolt as they had no food! The Czar told the 100 riflemen to arm thier weapons take aim and fire. Just before they fired they all did an about face and blew the Czar and his whole family away! The next question is where do we find some Turkish guards?
I know the average 911 response can be as long as 23 minutes, but my .357 responds at 1400 fps. My response to hypathedical drivel that can turn public opinion to scorn of these officers is just as fast. I got my butt whipped a few times down at the pool hall when the bad boys found out the Sheriff was my Uncle. My Uncle just said don't let em do that. I learned how to stop that from happening most of the time and how to keep my mouth shut when it looked like it would be wiser. So don't play with public opinion about something as important as local police!

Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 10/23/12 - 06:58 am
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Red dog i agree, but

You know that i am just like you in this opinion of Law Inforcement and would step in and fight for them if i saw them being attacked by outlaws, just like i would for anyone else if i saw gunmen putting others in harm and then place my future in the hands of citizens as to my actions in the fight against evil.
My point is that YES, there are Good & Bad people in every area of protection of Americans and my hopes is that they will do as your example of the Turks did and not fire on fellow Americans.
It's good to practice & know your tools for protection and i appreciate them doing so. I also practice with bow, guns, rocks and Bible and if i didn't then i would be lacks in my responcibility to self and others as i continually watch for troubles that are increasing at every level of life and Coming to America at warp speed.
We all must be preparing just as these appointed to protect us are preparing in this fight against evil that has been given free reign to do as they wish thanks to our laws that were ment to protect innocent people are now protecting evil instead.
Practice does make better in every area of life.
I am sorry if what i said was misunderstood or i did not relate my intent properly about this article and our local LE which i do support as they fight evils spread, just as i also do.

Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 10/23/12 - 08:06 am
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Good and Evil always stand close together

I guess what i am trying to say is this.
Good, Rightiousness and Evil, Wickedness always stand close to each other IN EVERY AREA OF LIFE, in this fight that we all face daily and it's very hard some times to tell the differance between them until it's too late.
Take for instance all the deaths of OUR Military personel in Afgan that are killed by those that they are trusting to be on the same side in this fight against Wicked Evil.
The trial against the Army soldier that killed other Army personel in Texas, he was supposed to be fighting along side them against Evil, but in fact he was the very Evil they are fighting, and they stood side by side and no one knew until it was too late.
Most of us fail to pay attention to the Warning Signs pointing towards coming troubles and when they come then we wonder where we failed to prepare, but by then it's too late and we must suffer lose and never seem to learn from those mistakes and continue to repeat them for more suffering and lose.
As is said by some one "If you fail to learn from History, then your destined to repeat History" and we do to our shame and suffering by many.
What we need is more people standing Guard, on Watch for troubles so we can help protect other fellow humans in this fight of Good against Evil that we are all involved in Daily.

normolson
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normolson 10/23/12 - 11:59 am
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Whose Side Are They On?

BigRedDog... You speak from experience and I'm sure that you felt a special affinity to the County Sheriff since he was you kin. Having someone you KNOW and are akin to is something ordinary folks don't have.
When's the last time you invited our local LE folks to a BBQ? When's the last time Kenai or Soldotna LE had an Town Hall meeting with the people they serve?

Instead of making efforts to connect LE with the community, we see just the opposite happening. With the emergence of DHA Fusion Centers and NIMS, we see more and more intrusion of the federal central government into the business of local law enforcement. I would like some explanation as to how far the federal gestapo has seeped into the business of local law enforcement. In your day, back in Oklahoma, the county sheriff had many responsibilities, but the chiefest of them was to make sure that the rule of law and due process were executed properly. Someone taken into the sheriff's custody was protected rather than simply turned over to the FBI or State.
Every wonder why there are no Sheriffs in Alaska? Sheriffs are bonded and the county is not held responsible for the actions of the sheriffs. Of course, the sheriff is elected and is responsible for his actions as well as the actions of his deputies. Where do you find that in Alaska? Well, you don't and won't.
Who do the local Law Enforcers work for? If you say, "the people" then I would ask why we the employers have no access to the psychological assessment of those who employed them? When is the last time you voted for a police chief (since we don't have a sheriff)?

Don't you see? I'm not ragging on the cops. Far from it. I'm simply concerned that the cops are taking their marching orders from higher powers and are changing from friends of the community to automatons of the State and Federal powers. I think it is find and dandy that our cops can place two in the chest and one in the head in under 3 seconds. I just want to know who they REALLY are working for.

freedomlibertytruth
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freedomlibertytruth 10/23/12 - 01:01 pm
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BigRedDog. Outstanding

BigRedDog. Outstanding commentary, the best. And that’s why we live in Alaska (and not in Anchorage as well).

You gotta ask yourself WHY these locals are trying to turn public opinion against our local cops.
divide and conquer. They are not going to conquer my mind.

gfds98765
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gfds98765 10/23/12 - 01:12 pm
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BigRedDog, it’s the LIBERAL

BigRedDog, it’s the LIBERAL LAWYERS that turn against the public. Every loss of freedom goes back to progressives, who support the criminals and persecute the people trying to live a life free from crime.

The left wing liberals turn the tables and prosecute those who do not initiate, or promote crime, but only meet fire with fire to protect themselves and their families.

Liberal progressives want total submission, and this is what they are achieving. They want everyone all muddle headed and standing blind, mute, & paralized by fear of their own government.

lkpomn912
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lkpomn912 10/23/12 - 01:17 pm
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And it's working well.

And it's working well. progressive socialists are winning.

""They want everyone all muddle headed and standing blind, mute, & paralized by fear of their own government.""

normolson
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normolson 10/23/12 - 03:11 pm
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Who, When, and Why to Shoot to Kill

The Clarion article and this blog is no doubt being read with interest by Law Enforcement personnel. The front page spread emphasizing lethal force and proficiency in killing with just three shots ought to raise a more important question:
Is this the way our local law enforcement people want to be characterized? Does it give the idea that if we the people don't immediately bow to their power, they have the means and the ability to blow us away? Is that really how it needs to be?
If I were a member of the Kenai cop shop, I'd be very offended that the emphasis on my knowledge and training has been boiled down to "two in the chest and one in the head."
Everyone else who is watching this blog may never get it, but I'm sure that the members of the Kenai and Soldotna police department get it. Has the ability to kill us become the primary impetus for people to submit without question, interference, or delay to the officer who has his Glock pointed at us?
Yes, yes, I know they've been to the Academy. And yes, I know all about the Alaska Police Standards Council and the psychological battery of interviews polygraphs each LE officer must go through, but does the public know what it takes to be a cop????? There's the problem!
To their credit, it takes a whole lot more to become a law enforcement officer than just being able to kill someone.

Again, if I were a cop in the Kenai/Soldotna force, I'd be greatly offended by the narrow focus that the Peninsula Clarion (with the approval of the police themselves) placed on me as an officer!

All of you LE folks out there reading this ought to be likewise offended and should speak out. Let the public know that being a cop is a complex job calling on far more than just the ability to gun someone down.
The Clarion, by its article, gave you all a very cheap shot and you probably didn't realize how insulting it was until I asked you.

So you can shoot, but do you know when, who, and why you can kill someone.

Each of you know that bad chiefs and other officers exist. We've had enough sorrow from bad cops. So why don't you all dedicate yourselves to the best that you can be and let us know also that you take great pride in your knowledge of the Constitution and Bill of Rights and the Alaska Constitution so that WE THE PEOPLE can be secure in the knowledge that you are around.....and that you police your own.

gfds98765
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gfds98765 10/23/12 - 05:26 pm
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when we call the cops we know

1. You’re not a Kenai cop, thank the powers of Grey Skull.
2. From the beginning of time, the Sherif had the power to kill you criminals, on the spot without backlash, not now! We have the Constitution.
3. When I call the cops, I Don’t want Frickin’ Michelle & Barack to show up with their communisto law degree.
(oh yeah I forgot, they lost their law licenses)
4. And I sure don’t want YOU to show up & interfere with the troops, Land o Goshen.

normolson
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normolson 10/23/12 - 06:38 pm
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Cops Are People Too!

gfds98765

I know you're not serious and no one reading this blog thinks you endorse a "shoot first and to hell with the Constitution."

My point to readers (not necessarily you, if you are serious) would be to protray cops and more than one-dimensional people. When I see a cop I see more than just a projection of power and authority--I see a person who has intellect and emotion. To present them to the public as merely automatons who blindly obey without comprehension of real justice is wrong and demeaning to them.

I thought the Clarion article was definitely bias in favor of the kind of law enforcement personnel you like: kill the bastards and don't worry about why or who or when.

Cops that are reading this tonight would agree... It's not fair to them to be portrayed as gun slingers. Perhaps you need to spend some time talking with the President of the Alaska Association of Chiefs of Police as I have. You may get another point of view by speaking to the guys who are in the front lines, but still manage to maintain their humanity.

Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 10/23/12 - 07:45 pm
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I DON'T GET IT

I DON'T GET IT AS TO WHY THE ATTACKS ON NORM HERE OVER WHAT HE IS SAYING COMING FROM SOME THAT SEEM TO BE ON THE RIGHT, NOW SEEM TO BE ON THE LEFT.
WHASSSSSSSS UP WIF DIS?
Please help me understand what i'm missing here as i can't see why Norm, a Far Right Conservative is being attacked here by those that have voiced opinions which seem to indicate that they too are on the Right as well.
Very puzzling to me.

normolson
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normolson 10/24/12 - 01:46 pm
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It is a curious thing. . .

I too wonder how asking a few questions can evoke such mental discordance. I hear people all the time talking about how deeply Washington DCs hooks are embedded in Alaska's business. I hear people talk about the National Defense Authorization Act, The Patriot Act, The Department of Homeland Security, FEMA, and the draconian Executive Orders that have already been signed that will effective suspend ALL OF THE RIGHTS OF ALASKANS. Ask nearly anyone the question "Is the federal government a threat to personal liberty?" and you'll get a definite "yes" by a majority of the people.
Then when I ask people to delve into things such the National Incident Management System, DHA's Fusion Centers, and the operative machinery that will take over local law enforcement, I get [filtered word] on when I suggest that we Alaskans take a look at how deeply embedded are federal powers ALREADY ARE in our own local Law Enforcement.
I would expect a chorus of people would wonder the same thing. Are we so naive' and casual that we don't care? Why, when someone asks the tough questions about the loyalty of local law enforcement to the Constitution and the people, does it create such vexation? It is clear to see that the federal government is attacking individual rights in so many ways. Why wouldn't they also want to move in on our local Law Enforcement also?

It is a curious thing!

spwright
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spwright 10/24/12 - 03:07 pm
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Yo Norm, Look Up

Wed. 10/24/12
Yo Norm, Look Up when ever You come outta your cave.

That tiny little glimmer in the sky is a Predator Drone flying above your Militia Compound in Nikiski & that Drone is Watching everything that You Do !

Ask your fellow Militia Members that are now in Prison IF they have witnessed this tiny glimmer in the sky in the past.

Now Run for Cover so the drone can't see you.

Run Norm Run

SPW "Airborne"

freedomlibertytruth
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freedomlibertytruth 10/24/12 - 03:09 pm
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WotW there is really nothing to see here

WotW Free Independent Americans Cannot be put in chains, or in party line boxes. You know that. Constitutional Americans will not allow themselves become cookie-cutter clowns to any messiah, local,national or world wide order.

We have a decent low crime, considerate community. The Kenai Peninsula is one of the last holds of American Values. Thanks to the local Free Independent Americans. Only the matching T-shirt wearing Union thugs march in lockstep on the Peninsula.

This ‘Norm’ guy is not your master nor mine, anymore than BHO is. He is just pouring gasoline on your candle? Keep your candle lit, on the hill, to bring your truth to others and don’t let anyone else turn it into a weapon of hatred & mass destruction against you.

There really was nothing to see here in this article, anymore than if they had shown lineman, oil drillers, surgeons, paramedics, ship captains, pilots, or train engineers in their jobs, as sometimes, just sometimes Mother Nature takes lives in a multitude of circumstances where Alaskans are working.

BIGREDDOG wrote the most appropriate real life commentary; again I commend him on having done so.

Keep up the good work Kenai Peninsula Public Safety!

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