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Researchers want new name for transient killer whales

Posted: November 25, 2012 - 10:04pm  |  Updated: November 25, 2012 - 10:08pm

ANCHORAGE — If whale expert John K.B. Ford has his way, school children one day will study a kind of North Pacific killer whale that preys on warm-blooded creatures — mostly harbor seals and sea lions, but also gray whales and seabirds.

They roam as far north as the Arctic Ocean and are now known as “transients” to distinguish them from fish-eating “resident” killer whales.

Ford and colleagues from Alaska to California want transient killer whales to be declared their own species, and they want them to have a new name: Bigg’s killer whales, in honor of Michael Bigg, the researcher whose observations off British Columbia and Washington state led to the identification of transients and whose mentoring inspired a generation of researchers still uncovering the mysteries of the animal at the top of the marine food chain.

“He was really very much the founding father of modern scientific studies regarding killer whales,” Ford said from his office at the Pacific Biological Station in Nanaimo, B.C., where he heads West Coast cetacean research for Canada’s Department of Fisheries and Oceans.

Paul Wade, a U.S. killer whale expert at the National Marine Mammal Laboratory in Seattle, said colleagues have begun using Bigg’s killer whales as the common name for transients in research papers.

Just out of graduate school in 1970, Bigg was hired as a marine mammal biologist at the Pacific Biological Station. One assignment was an investigation of the status of killer whales, considered dangerous to humans and pests by salmon fishermen. By 1973, aquariums were paying $70,000 for a live killer whale and 48 had been captured for display.

Bigg and colleagues distributed sighting forms to fishermen and other coast residents. His report in 1976 concluded that just 200 to 350 orcas remained along the B.C. and Washington coasts, far fewer than thought, and too few to sustain additional live captures.

He also made a breakthrough that would create the framework for decades of additional research: He determined that individual whales could be identified by pigmentation patterns on the saddle patch at the base of their dorsal fins. That meant researchers could track whales to figure out their diets, family dynamics and communications with other whales.

“It was Mike’s realization that with a good-enough photograph, you could identify even the plainest looking fin without any obvious markings,” Ford said.

Bigg’s formal association with killer whales ended by early 1977. He was reassigned to other marine mammals, including northern fur seals, Ford said, but kept at killer whale research on the side. He had started to distinguish families of resident orcas that he suspected were targeting salmon. More rarely seen were killer whales that Bigg at first suspected were pod outcasts.

They turned out instead to be mammal-eaters. Genetic work on transients followed. Wade collaborated with National Marine Fisheries Service geneticist Phillip Morin and 14 other researchers on a 2011 paper that indicated resident and transient killer whales don’t eat or behave the same ways. They also don’t interbreed.

“The evidence suggests that the transients in particular are quite different than everybody else and probably shared an ancestor about 700,000 years ago,” Morin said from the Southwest Fisheries Science Center in La Jolla, Calif.

The scientists say at least three killer whale species likely roam the North Pacific, including offshore orcas that may feed on sleeper sharks, and three in the Antarctic. Killer whales are found in every ocean and DNA samples have been studied from the extreme north and south parts of the globe. Researchers are preparing to analyze samples from tropical and temperate waters, Morin said, to piece together the pattern of evolutionary divergence between types.

“The goal is to then try to compile the genetic data with all of other data — the behavioral, the acoustic, other molecular data, distribution — and come up with a description of killer whales globally, along with our recommendations for which should be species and which should be subspecies, if the data hold up those categories,” Morin said.

Bigg’s influence on other scientists may have been as meaningful as his research. He shared his work and often his home with newly graduated marine biologists from the United States, France, Sweden, Norway, Mexico and Argentina, inviting them to unlock additional secrets about killer whales in their parts of the world, Ford said.

Ford was one of them. Bigg helped him find a boat for his first field work. Ford went on to study underwater acoustic signals in social communication of killer whales for identification and description of dialects from whale groups.

Bigg was diagnosed with leukemia in 1984 and died in 1990 at the age of 51.

The idea for naming transients, Ford said, came from the Vancouver Aquarium researcher Lance Barrett-Lennard and John Durban of the Southwest Fisheries Science Center as they studied killer whale predation on gray whales at False Pass in Alaska’s Aleutian Islands.

“Mike would be incredibly fascinated with the information that’s still coming to light,” Ford said.

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Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 11/26/12 - 10:23 am
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700,000

These killer transient whales are where killer transient men & women which also prey on warm blooded life as well probably evolved from 700,000 yrs ago probably.
Really? True history shows creation of man and animals is at around 6000 yrs, so we have a major mathimatical time frame which seems to be some ones desire to just use numbers of choice which continually change while the truth is always avoided about the true numbers of life on earth.
Interesting theory until they use math of creation which always implies that people are really stupid or gulliable and would believe this junk. Why don't we see any evolving going on around us now is my question? Because it does not exist, is the answer and never has existed no matter how much these pond slim math wizzes pust it down our throats. I guess that if you tell a lie long enough it becomes truth to some fellow pond slims, even though it's not true at all and is ever changing depending on which way the wid is blowing with this false math of history past.

Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 11/27/12 - 10:22 pm
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How do you know that?

I guess i should ask the question of how do you know that these whales evolved from 700,000 years ago?
Where is the documented proof past 6000 yrs ago if you please, is another question? Answer: There is none.
They have no proof and all they can do is insert any number that they might think will be stupid enough to accepted as truth about their idioTological theory.
Nothing more than they hope we're stupid enough to buy this crap as truth so they can shove more of it on us and change history into a thing of fabricated make believe lies, rather than factual truth and documented history.

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beaverlooper 11/28/12 - 01:01 pm
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change

If you can't see things changing/evolving around you you are blind.
Are human bones that are older than 10000 years old proof enough?

Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 11/28/12 - 01:15 pm
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Where is the Proof?

Why not make it 20,000 yrs since your throwing out undocumented numbers?
Where is the written historic proof, not conjecture or speculation or a desire to want it that way?
Funny how every one has an idea on how to disprove Creation that recorded in the Word, yet they have never been able to disprove it a single time.
Where is the proof of these bones being that old and who decided that they were and on what basis other than guess work?
As i said before where is the proof from writen or recorded history other than some persons words?

beaverlooper
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beaverlooper 11/29/12 - 07:28 pm
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where's YOUR proof

My proof lies in tried and tested and repeatable scientific methods,carbon dating etc.My proof lies in what i can see with my own eyes.
I have a bird feeder and visiting that feeder I see chickadees with bills that have become 3 or 4 times the length of a normal chickadee. That's how evolution works, things mutate and if they help the creature that mutated ,more of those mutated creatures survive and you have a new version. The only things in the universe that don't change are ..............things change and God is.
"As i said before where is the proof from written or recorded history other than some persons words?" ......As far as written history goes ,give me a break. Look at the word history....his story.That's what history is ,some persons words.If Hitler had won WWII and killed all the Jews would he be portrayed the same way today? Of course not ,it would have been his story , his story would've said he was a hero who exterminated evil from the planet.The republicans and democrats rewrite history all the time.
If your talking about the bible as your proof, it has been translated ,copied ,edited and interpreted so many times is isn't PROOF of any thing.There are several different versions of the bible,and dozens of different christian churches , if there was only one bible and one interpretation there would only be one church.
You have don't have proof you have faith.

Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 11/29/12 - 11:39 am
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Tried and Tested huh?

As for tried and tested and repeatable scientific methods and carbon copy if i'm not mistaken all these are as you say, tried and tested and tried and tested and redone time after time. When called on to prove this supposed data & proof that it is legitamate, which they are not, so they have a redo until called out again.
Carbon copy has been rewrote several times and only proves that it's a scam to decieve people into a BS theory of men, kind of like the global warming manmade crap. As long as people open wide and swallow this junk they will continue to feed it to us and we will bevcome more mutant in understanding & knowledge of why we are here than we are now.
As for supposed chickadees mutating into another breed thats also untrue i believe. I also have a chickadee with a 2"+ overlaping bill and it as you say is a mutant, not evolving.
My understanding is that everything here on the Kenai has a form of mutants growing on, or in us due to all the toxins in the air and water. The GMO foods we are now consuming also contributes to these mutant diseases which we also feed animals GMO foods and they also drink and breath the same as we do. It's called many things in the medical field, but evolving is not one of them.
So from what i gather your opinion is that your rewriten and tested books of men are right, while my original book writen by men who were God inspired, is wrong. I will admit that the Bible has been rewritten and words changed or left out or misinturpreted by men, but in spite of these errprs of men wanting things there way instead of Gods way the Bibles main intent or message or History past, Present or Future has never been proved wrong and is continually being proved right as time rolls on.
I'm willing to gamble my soul that my instruction book is right and if i'm wrong i lose nothing. Are you also willing to do the same as i with your manmade books and theories which are ever changing direction when called out for their supposed theories?
Some will be right, many more will be wrong and time reveals all things and with out proper instructions from the maker we will be blown about like the wind not knowing which way to go or what to understand & believe in.
Have a gr8 day and watch the news for more of the instruction books promised events for this time we are now living in come to pass with no mans ability to change or alter what was promised to come.
My Faith is based on my proof which in fact is my Faith. Faith & proof that the Bible has never been wrong in it's original form to show creation that it's creator knows whats coming next & loves us, will redeem us from the one that hates and seeks to destroy us all.
When in doubt read the Instructions. Don't read to disprove it though, because if you do that you will wind up understanding and accepting it as the only true message of Hope & Fundamental Change to Believe in for eternity for all of us as well as prove that mankind has no answers other than their makebelieve ones that are ever changing with the times.

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beaverlooper 11/29/12 - 12:29 pm
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My Faith is based on my proof which in fact is my Faith.

Can't fill a cup that's already full......May goodness and mercy follow you all the days of your life and may you dwell in the house of the lord forever.

Sam Von Pufendorf
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Sam Von Pufendorf 11/29/12 - 06:54 pm
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6000 years

If the earth is but 6000 years old, which is the length of recorded history, why is there no mention of dinasaurs in any of those records? Why weren't there two T- Rex's on Noah's Ark?
The truth is, the planet is far older than 6000 years and there is proof. But furthermore, there is little evidence to disprove the earth is more than 6000 years old.

Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 11/29/12 - 09:02 pm
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I did not say earth was 6000 yrs old

Creation of life on earth is 6000 yrs, not earth nor the entire expances of Gods creations. The earth was void and without form and covered in darkness for Trillions of yrs probably, even more as with God there is no Time as we know it and time was actually created by God for men to help us comprehend all things. I don't know how long earth was void as God says it was but, God said let there be light and thus started the mission here on earth which i believe is a battle between God and Lucifer concerning Gods fairness and judgment against Lucifer and his fallen comrades with mankind in the middle. Why this is the case i don't know, but God knows and someday i will also know.
As for the dinasaurs not being on Noah's Ark it might have to do with God choice of what was going on the Ark, not Noah's.God's choices by the way had to do with things that were not altered or genetically modified organisms done by Lucifer and his comrades.
Genesis 6; shows this story of the fallen angels, sons of God perverting the human seed, creating giants and more than likey also perverted the animals to produce unnatural giant things like T-Rex that were not saved by God when he flooded the earth to kill all these GMO's out. At any rate who says that these giant lizards were named T-Rex any how?
The whole intent of Satan is to pervert Gods creation with his own perverted recreation or manipulated GMO seeds, all ment to kill off all natural seeds, human, animal and plants alike. At any rate creation of man, animal and plants are 6000 yrs old, we are now at around 4000 yrs since the flood and distruction of all the GMO's and restart of Gods pure natural seeds and what do we now see at a fast foreward pace again? GMO'S and Warning Signs mentioned that just as in the days of Noah, so shall it be at the coming of the Son of man, Christ's second coming to once again wipe out all the GMO's and restart for the last 1000 yrs before the final battle is won and Satan is no more along with sins hold on all of Gods creation. My belief is that for each day of creation God has allowed 1000 yrs or a total of 7000 yrs and we are closing out this Era, Age for 6000, just as many past smart people have said would come, and a few say 12-21-12 could be the restart date, NOT THE END OF THE WORLD.

Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 11/29/12 - 09:04 pm
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How many animals did he gather?

So how many animals did Noah go out and gather and bring back to be on the ark to escape distruction against all the GMO's?
a) 2
b) 4
c) 7
d) none

Sam Von Pufendorf
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Sam Von Pufendorf 11/29/12 - 09:27 pm
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None

The animals came to the ark. Noah didn't gather them.
Back to the dinasaurs. Why is there absolutely no mention of these gargantuan beasts. The biggest of all!!! You'd think they would at least get an honorable mention somewhere in 6000 years of life. A footnote maybe? 1200 near complete dinasaur skeletons have been discovered. 18,000 partial skeletons and hundreds of thousands of bones. Ya think someone would have mentioned the evil satanic beast that was roaming the earth. Wouldn't you???

Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 12/01/12 - 01:08 pm
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Very Good SVP you read the manual.

You read the instruction book to get this answer and you are correct in your reply in a sence, as they did come to Noah, but God sent them to Noah by pairs, as well as by groups of 7 all inaccord to his plan for which ones he wanted to preserve from judgment by water.
In answer to your question about the dinasaurs as to why they are not mentioned, there is mention of them in the book of Job 40; thru Job 41: 10, the great land Behemoth and the gr8 sea creature Leviathan which i believe are dinasaurs.
As for why they no longer exist all i can say is that God has us on a need to know basis and we don't need to know that info now as it's restricted and not time for it to be revealed.
It,s like men of old which refers to giants, genetically altered humans or Nephilim which were created from contaminated Human DNA, why is there restricted and hidden evidence of these creatures? There are many skeletons of giants all around the world with Germany having a 40' long skeleton that fills a train boxcar. America even has our very own giants known as the Red Heads burried in a cave in the southwest somewhere(sorry i can't remember where) but these creatures existed before the flood as well as after the flood and King David and his men killed them out after Joshua had killed many of them upon entering the promised land.
Many things are hidden from us by God for some reason. There are also many things hidden by men that don't want us to know about what has been or what shall be again just as God promised us would be at the End of the Age.
Then there are the megalith structures that normal men could have never built today, let alone thousands of yrs ago by all common sence, yet there they are, thousands of them scattered all around the world, most on the 33 parallel around the earth for some reason. All i know for sure is that this simple minded man believe in God like a child would, in simple faith, not fully knowing why, but trusting with completely until it's proved wrong and i really don't see that happening any time soon with all the prophecies coming to pass at an alarming rate almost every day.
My idea is when looking for answers & trying to make sence of what God said, i must use common sence, or else every thing will become nonsence, leading to no sence.
When in doubt Read the Instructions and find that our creator loves his creation and wants to redeem it from the distructive sin nature it is under at the present time and wishes all to be saved, and thats the most important thing to worry about now as we can ask about the dinasaurs L8R along with a plethora of other questions if they will even matter then through out eternity.
So back on topic, is it Evolution or Devilution that continuosly tries to rebunk creation, or are they one and the same?

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Watchman on the Wall 12/04/12 - 06:56 pm
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Messengers of Deseption

It's either D-evolution of Creation and Mr Ford will one day wake up in eternity just as Mr Biggs and say OH, MY GOD, WHAT AN IDIOT I WAS, but then it will be too late. We all must make the choice of either believeing in Evolution or Creation and in my opinion every one that believes we are evolving have no proof other that a supposed theory which is ment to discredit the truth of Creation, a tried and provine fact that even gives future prophecies of whats coming next. Does the evolution theory ever give any future predictions of whats coming next? No. In fact they have no clue and disregard what the creator has said of every seed will reproduce after it's kind, human, animal or plant.
So it's your choice to either believe or reject this crap of evolution, as well as believe, accept or reject creation and it's proven historic facts that have never been proved wrong.
There are many deceivers in the world that want us to believe everything other than the truth and are spreading this kind of crap world wide and even teaching our kids, all in an effort to mislead us all away from the truth of creation just as this article states, "if John K B Ford has his way this will be tought to our children in schools." Briggs and Ford are Messengers of Deseption, with millions of others just like them. So who are ya gonna believe, These Devilutionists or the Creator, God?

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