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Kenai City Council plans to discuss fishery fee hike

Posted: December 3, 2012 - 9:40am

Kenai City Council faces three options to solving the Dipnet Fishery’s waste problems, City Manager Rick Koch said.

One: leave it as it is. Two: ask Kenai residents to subsidize cleanup operations. And three: double some user fees to pay to pay fund fish and solid waste management stations.

Koch said the only viable option is to increase fishery user fees.

“It’s really going to stir some (stuff) up,” he said. “Council’s got themselves in a little bit of a spot. They haven’t agreed to any increases in the past.”

Koch’s preliminary 2012 fishery report proposes increasing parking and camping fees on North and South Beach and at the city’s dock launch. Koch will present the report as an information item to city council Wednesday.

“Whatever fee structure we adopt … I want the word to the word to get out to the participants of the dipnet fishery and to the state,” he said.

Koch estimates the fee increases will generate enough money — about $237,000 — to cover the $233,836-priced fish and solid waste management stations, according to the report.

To manage the fish waste problem on the beach, the city will place three 24-foot-long trailers on the beaches between Kenai Avenue and South Spruce Street.

Fish-cleaning tables 24 feed long will be attached to each side of the trailers, and a roughly 1,500 gallon water tank for cleaning fish will sit in the middle, Koch said.

City personnel will manage the cleaning stations, and contractors will remove the fish waste. Koch said the contractors will likely place several totes or bins at the end of the cleaning stations to collect the fish waste.

To manage the trash left on the beaches, the city will have 12, six-cubic yard dumpsters strung out along North Beach. On South Beach the city will place up to six dumpsters in camping areas along the beach.

The city will service the dumpsters daily.

City council will set dates for public hearings to discuss the proposed fishery fee increases.

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shadowmt
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shadowmt 12/03/12 - 11:41 am
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overcharging

It is not right that the city is even considering raising the price at the city's dock launch during dipnetting. The people who dipnet out of boats ARE NOT the people leaving the garbage and guts on the north and south beaches. We have always taken our fish home to process them and take care of our own mess. Why should we (people who live right here) have to pay for others (people who do not live here) who don't give a rats *** about the community. Make them take their fish home to clean them just like 99 percent of the people who use boats to dipnet and leave the fees alone.

jennyb47
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jennyb47 12/03/12 - 12:44 pm
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Another Band-Aid

There needs to be more enforcement both on the beach and on the river. Fine the people that litter and fine the dangerous/idiot boaters - if people can get away with it they won't behave or follow the rules.

robert white
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robert white 12/03/12 - 01:31 pm
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city dock

Raise launching fee during dip netting to $50. It's always the case, a few bad apples!

Roger104
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Roger104 12/03/12 - 02:14 pm
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Limits

Why are we finding ways to cope with the the unlimited expansion of a fishery in an already overcrowded river?

Why doesn't the city come up with an acceptable number of people that can safely dipnet at any one time? These are City-owned public accesses. It seems that allowing more people access than can be reasonable enforced is not safe.

It's time for the City to wake up and realize that while the PU fishery is a valuable resource for many, our river and community is being overtaxed by this fishery. These fish are being harvested disproportionally from the Kenai due to its ease of access.

Does the council not realize that these fish are a valuable resource that are being siphoned from local industry that supports our economy? This fishery needs limits, both for the health of the river, and for the health of our local fisheries and our economy.

Instead, we're facilitating the unlimited expansion of a fishery that provides a fraction of the economic benefit to our community when compared to the commercial fisheries that have existed here for generations.

beaverlooper
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beaverlooper 12/03/12 - 02:47 pm
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limits

It's my understanding the Alaska constitution puts maximum benefit for the citizens of Alaska first when it comes to natural resorces. Wouldn't that mean personal use would come before sport fishing (which could and should be the same as personal use for residents), and the commercial fisheries (both fresh water and salt water) where almost all the fish go out of state?

northernlights
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northernlights 12/03/12 - 03:56 pm
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volunteers

I volunteer for streamwatch, we go up and down major fishing areas teaching people to stay off the banks that are being totaly destroyed, and telling them what they pack in, they need to pack out and that means thier garbage. Early summer at Cooperlanding, in less than three weeks we hauled out over 50lbs of garbage, man that is discraceful. but our presence and teaching made a big difference. We had a 6hr training, were given shirts, hats and a nice jacket to wear. The city of Kenai wanted nothing to do with volunteers teaching people to take thier garbage out and how to dispose of fish correctly. They never added new bathrooms or waste sites last year, so tell me, what did they do with all the money they took in? Why are they not interested in volunteers, giving them shirts etc so people know who they are? I know some teens helped out. somethings is wrong with management in kenai.

drjofak
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drjofak 12/03/12 - 06:30 pm
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PU Fishery Management

The story and comments raise several issues. First, the establishment and management of the fishery itself is beyond the scope of the City's responsibilities or authority. The management of the city beaches and boat launch is not. The city managers proposed plan seems adaquate and common sense to deal with the fish waste and litter problems. As this is a state fishery, it seems the local representatives should seek state funds to off set this fishery expense in the future. I say to the city, good plan. As we all know the abuse of this fishery is a state issue, not a city matter.

granny
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granny 12/03/12 - 11:24 pm
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Fancy cleaning station

The city shouldn't be paying for a fancy cleaning station. First, it's a state responsibility. Second, I'll be surprised if people really use it. Stick to racking the beach, and have Fish and Game give the city wndows of time to do it by closing down the fishery. Northernlights may have had a good point also. I don't agree with blaming city council. Oh to be July again!!

snkalaska
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snkalaska 12/04/12 - 09:35 am
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Seasonal pass

Like others that live in Kenai, I catch my fish and take it home to process. Increasing fees to cover clean up for out of area dipnetters adds insult to injury. Not only do we have to endure the deluge of people and trash, but now we have to pay for it?
I'd like to see a seasonal pass system like Soldotna does with their park pass. It would only be available in late winter, in person, and applied to the vehicle on the spot. That would benefit local area residents.

alaskanni
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alaskanni 12/04/12 - 11:52 am
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Bologna

The Kenai and Kasilof Rivers belongs to the people of the State of Alaska, not just Peninsula residents. You cannot restrict it to locals only. No matter how much better you think you are than the rest of us. I don't live on the Kenai but I don't leave my garbage or fish waste on the beach. We clean our fish elsewhere. We pack out what we pack in. What I do is bring money to your town when I am there which is often since I have family that live there. How about people from Homer or Seward? Maybe they should be restricted also? Maybe Kenai people shouldn't be able to go to Homer or Seward and launch their boats there or participate in their Derbies, hows that for fair and right? You can't paint everyone with a broad brush. I have seen people I KNOW for a fact live in the Kenai area that are leaving their trash all over the place also. Maybe they could restrict it to Kenai resident's get to fish on T-W-Th and out of towners get F-S-S-M, since you live there you don't need the weekends and the rest of the state does. Sound fair? Some of you need to get off your high horse. You are no better than any other Alaskan resident.

shadowmt
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shadowmt 12/04/12 - 12:29 pm
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fees on dipnetting

If the city council wants to put in a fancy new cleaning and waste removal system let them but put the new fees at the cleaning station not at the boat launch or parking areas. Let the people (locals or not) who use the cleaning tables pay for them and the people who don't fine them unless they are taking their fish home to clean and process.
To Alaskanni: With that attitude sounds like it's you that needs to get off your high horse.

alaskanni
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alaskanni 12/04/12 - 12:44 pm
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cleaning tables

shadowmt, good idea on the cleaning tables.
I really don't think I am the one with the attitude when you read the comments on this and any other story on dipnetting. It gets a little old.

beaverlooper
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beaverlooper 12/04/12 - 02:11 pm
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No matter how much better you think you are than the rest of us

Don't think we're better than you and who said anything about restricting your right to fish?Don't know where you live but not everybody is the model citizen you claim to be .Leaving garbage and fish guts all over the place ,would YOUR town abide that?Since the fish belong to the state,and those that do the fishing are citizens of the state(most NOT from Kenai) shouldn't the state be responsible for the mess? It's an unfunded mandate and people generally resent those.
I'm really surprised a bear hasn't shown up down there and made things interesting.

spwright
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spwright 12/04/12 - 05:19 pm
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Picture 12/4/12

Very Simple Solution.
Take a Photo of the People trashing OUR beaches then share those photos with the Police.

All this cussin & discussin provides little or No Proof & lots of speculation. Lots of He Said, She Said.

Cell Phones & digital cameras are literately everywhere

Take a photo & provide physical PROOF for the Police
That photo evidence can then be used in Court.

A Picture is Worth a 1000 Words.

SPW in Slooooowdotna

BigRedDog
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BigRedDog 12/05/12 - 10:49 am
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There must be a buck

I got an idea, we can put a PRICE ON WATCHING DIP NETTERS. Cost you a dollar to look, 4 bits for each eye! Then we can start charging for feeding the mosquitoes! The foriegners feed the bugs and they multiply and eat us for lunch next week. Until we put that chain across the road at Ingram Creek we are not going to stop the salmon smuggling hoards. Maybe Mr Koch can put a toll gate at Ingram Creek and just charge them a dollar right there as we know they are all coming to the Kenai, heck their giving fish away right on the beach! It would really help to continue the launch supervisor much the same as the Seward Silver Derby where the Lion's and or Rotary really keep things flowing. The launch and pickup lanes thing could go a long ways to solving the jam-up at dock. Then no parking the boat on the dock to retreve. Watched a guy block everyone for 1 1/2 hr while his trailer was in the launch line and nobody esle aboard could drive the boat! We can do better, heck we can even have the Troopers hanging around to do something other than fine some poor dipnetter!
Poor guys their boss must be a REAL jerk to give them the detale of refereeing this dipnetting mayhem. Maybe it's just a way to stiff the trainees that are messing up, because I hope those cops down there fining the people who don't know their count or can't write it down before the top of the ramp; are not going to be responsible for making sound judgements out on our high ways! But did we vote in the Judges that actually impose the fines for this bunch of _S back into office?
The real problem with the Cities Manager getting involved is that these fish are not the Cities, and they have NO juristiction or authority!

hockeytunz
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hockeytunz 12/11/12 - 02:55 pm
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User group idea

Why don't all user groups get the same amount of days to fish. Instead of allowing some to fish everyday for 3 months and some to fish only 2 days a week? This would give the river a rest as well.

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