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Murkowski open to same-sex marriage

Posted: June 23, 2013 - 8:03pm  |  Updated: June 24, 2013 - 8:37am

JUNEAU, Alaska — Republican U.S. Sen. Lisa Murkowski’s announcement last week that she now supports same-sex marriage caused a ripple nationwide, but what effect it might have back home — if any — isn’t immediately clear.

Alaska in 1998 was the first state to pass a constitutional amendment defining marriage as between a man and a woman, a measure Murkowski says she voted for but has since changed her mind.

Leaders in the Alaska House and Senate don’t appear to be in a rush to change the state’s constitution to allow same-sex marriage, though some lawmakers believe that attitudes on the issue are changing.

House Speaker Mike Chenault, R-Nikiski, on Friday said there haven’t been any discussions within the caucus about the issue since Murkowski’s announcement. He said he supports the constitution that’s in place right now.

Republicans control both the Alaska House and Senate. House Minority Leader Beth Kerttula, D-Juneau, said she was heartened to get a hearing this year on a bill that would prohibit discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity or expression. The bill stayed in committee, but remains in play when the Legislature returns to work in January. A similar proposal stalled during the prior Legislature.

“This is going to happen, it’s just, hopefully, a matter of when,” Kerttula said.

State Senate Majority Leader John Coghill said he doesn’t think the Legislature will take up the issue in the foreseeable future unless it’s forced to by the U.S. Supreme Court.

The court is expected to render decisions soon on two cases involving same-sex marriage. One challenges California’s voter-approved proposition defining marriage as between a man and a woman; another seeks to strike down a portion of the federal Defense of Marriage Act that denies to legally married same-sex couples benefits generally available to married heterosexuals.

In Alaska, a proposed constitutional amendment can appear on the ballot if it’s approved by two-thirds of each chamber of the state Legislature. Changes also can be made at a constitutional convention. Alaskans last year voted against a constitutional convention, where any issue could be up for debate.

Coghill, R-North Pole, said he’s a “traditional marriage guy,” who supported the 1998 amendment and still does. He said he doesn’t feel any pressure right now to revisit it. However, “I think there is a societal change coming,” he said.

Sen. Berta Gardner, D-Anchorage, the nation’s view on this is changing, and Murkowski’s statement helps.

She said she sees a growing movement toward civil unions and is considering legislation of some sort related to that.

Republican leaders of the Alaska House in February apologized for laughter by some caucus members when asked about same-sex partnerships at a news conference to discuss the caucus’ guiding principles. Some websites and blogs cast this as majority members laughing at or laughing off the idea of civil unions.

Chenault at the time called the laughter inappropriate but said it was in reaction to which legislator had to field the difficult question. House Majority Leader Lance Pruitt said it was a serious issue but not something the caucus had taken a position on.

On the national level, Murkowski’s announcement means both Alaska’s U.S. senators hold that position. But the state’s lone U.S. House member and its governor believe marriage should be between a man and a woman.

Joshua Decker, interim executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Alaska, said Murkowski’s decision could be a watershed moment where others follow her lead. Democratic U.S. Sen. Mark Begich, who sees a ban on same-sex marriage as discriminatory, said Murkowski’s announcement showed “this isn’t some liberal agenda or some other agenda. It’s about people’s rights.”

But Jim Minnery, president of Alaska Family Action, said if anything, it shows Murkowski is a weak, vacillating politician and many conservatives were right in opposing her during her last re-election bid in 2010. He said he has nothing against people loving or being in solid relationships with whomever they please, but people are being too quick to “jump on the bandwagon” of same-sex marriage.

Once you change the definition of marriage and make it “genderless,” there’s no reason for also having a limit on how many people can be in a marriage, he said.

Murkowski, in a statement Wednesday, said her view on same-sex marriage “evolved as America has witnessed a clear cultural shift.”

She described a same-sex military couple who had adopted four children. “After their years of sleepless nights, afterschool pickups and birthday cakes, if one of them gets sick or injured and needs critical care, the other would not be allowed to visit them in the emergency room — and the children could possibly be taken away from the healthy partner,” she said. “They do not get considered for household health care benefit coverage like spouses nationwide. This first-class Alaskan family still lives a second-class existence.”

She called it a “personal liberty issue.”

“We don’t want the government in our pockets or our bedrooms; we certainly don’t need it in our families,” she said.

Murkowski became the third Senate Republican to come out in favor of same-sex marriage, joining 49 Democrats and two independents in the Senate with that view.

 

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Localmrs
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Localmrs 06/27/13 - 09:42 pm
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What does the Bible say about homosexuality? by matt slick

The Bible doesn't speak of homosexuality very often, but when it does, it condemns it as sin. Let's take a look.

Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."1
Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"
1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."
Homosexuality is clearly condemned in the Bible. It undermines the basis of God's created order where God made Adam, a man, and Eve, a woman -- not two men, not two women -- to carry out his command to fill and subdue the earth (Gen. 1:28). Homosexuality cannot carry out that command. It also undermines the basic family unit of husband and wife, the God-ordained means of procreation. It is also dangerous to society. (See, Is homosexuality danngerous?)

Unlike other sins, homosexuality has a heavy judgment administered by God Himself upon those who commit it - and support it. This judgment is simple in that those who practice it are given over to their passions - which means that their hearts are allowed to be hardened by their sins.

"For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error," (Rom. 1:26-27).

As a result, they can no longer see the error of what they are doing. They will not seek forgiveness. They will die in their sins and face God's holy condemnation. But, that isn't all. In addition to the judgment of being given over to their sin, those involved in it also promote it and condemn others who don't approve of their behavior.

"...and, although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them," (Rom. 1:32).

So, in their hearty approval of homosexuality they encourage others to be trapped in their sinfulness. This means they will reject Christ's redemptive work on the cross. Without Jesus, they will have no forgiveness. Without forgiveness, they will have no salvation. Without salvation, there is only damnation in eternal hell. We don't want this for anyone.

Is this politically correct?

No, the Bible's view of homosexuality is not politically correct. The politically correct view is that there is nothing wrong with two people just loving each other. Who are we Christians to judge them? But, who are they to say what is morally right and wrong? Do they have an objective standard of morals that all people should follow? No, they don't. They appeal to things like "society" and "common sense" and "basic rights", etc., to promote their opinion of homosexual normality. Well, societies have been wrong before (Nazi Germany, anyone?). What is common sense to one person isn't necessarily common sense to another. And, basic rights? Well, we all have basic rights. But, the homosexuals want special rights. They want laws passed to protect their sexual behavior. They also want to redefine marriage and require everyone else to accept it! (Will the redefinition stop with homosexual marriage? Don't bet on it. Pedophiles are now asking for rights, too, and they are using the same arguments initially presented by the homosexual movement decades ago.) Think about it. The pro-homosexuals want laws passed to protect a behavior, a behavior! It is, after all, homoSEXuality. I want to know what right do the politically correct, pro-homosexual minority have to impose their values on the majority? What right do they have to condemn Christians, call us names, and be so very intolerant when say their behavior is a sin? They don't have sound arguments, but they do have liberal dogmatism pushed along by the momentum of the compromising media. They are successfully getting homosexuality promoted in schools, TV, and movies as "normal" and healthy. As a result, their confidence and successes have pumped up their bravado so much that they even oppress those who oppose homosexuality - a fact blatently ignored by the double-standard-liberal-media. But what are we to expect when dogmatism is king and all opposing views are condemned? The pro-homosexuals want everyone to think like them and approve of their "inborn sexual orientation" -- and if you don't? Well, then you're labeled a bigot! Yep, they are so tolerant. That is why they want laws passed to ensure that their behavior of pairing a [filtered word] to a [filtered word] and a vagina to a vagina is protected as a special legal right even if the majority of people think otherwise! But hey, its okay if the minority pushes the majority around, redfines marriage, enforces loosening sexual morays, hides the condemning health statistics of homosexual behavior, and not-so-gently forces a change in society as a whole while they arrogantly yell, "This is normal!"

....really? It is?

But, believe it or not. We Christians aren't judging them. We are informing them. God has declared that homosexuality is a sin. It isn't our preferences we're declaring. It is God's. I know. I know. Some will say the Bible isn't true, that it is archaic, sexist, homophobic...blah, blah, blah. I've heard it all before. Kill the messanger and let's all jump into bed together and have our fun. Sorry, I'm not interested in freedom without responsibility and the resulting promiscuity and diseases that accompany the politically correct, sexual freedom of abberant liberal morality. Instead, I'll follow my Lord who calls all to repentance (Acts 17:30), myself included

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beaverlooper 06/27/13 - 10:46 pm
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not gay

Prove that God exist with facts.

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governor60 06/28/13 - 09:49 am
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Homosexual marrigages

This is not about rightes, but about sin against a Holy and Righteous God who has condemned all such people to a Christless etenity in hell. Not my words but God's words.

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AKtoAZ 06/28/13 - 11:05 am
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???

I think it is wonderful that you have such a powerful faith in God. But it is hard to keep up with you when you are judging homosexuals one minute and then telling us you do not judge the second. You say you wouldn't care if your neighbor was gay, but yet you have made it perfectly clear that you would care! You may not go all "Westboro Baptist Church" on them, but you would care.

And, you have me a bit confused about marriage. You started by stating it was between a man and woman, but in another post wrote that the reason for marriage is procreation and children! However, many men and women who would like children have been told by medical examiners that they will, unfortunately, never have that chance! Are you stating that these people have no reason to marry either?

We all sin! Perfection is found in Jesus alone, and since no sin rises above another sin, all we can do is pray for ourselves and others that do! You, nor I, know the personal relationship that one has with Jesus! Even a homosexual can have a relationship with Jesus! That is why he died for our sins! He died so we can repent and still receive Eternal life in Heaven.

My job as a Christian is not to judge others, but to educate them of God's love! Help them to understand what Jesus did for them, and to pray for them! I don't discriminate my prayers to who is "committing the biggest sin" but to pray for humanity and all mankind! I don't pray that they stop being homosexual, I pray that EVERYONE finds Jesus!

The best way to help people find Jesus is not by telling them they are doomed to the pits of hell for being a homosexual! It is the people that voice their opinion with criticism and without understanding that make homosexuals, and others rebel from the Christian religion all together! Christianity is love and guidance and a group of people sharing God's love and word to the world with the hopes that they will feel His spirit!

The bible tells us that our job is to share his love with others and be a peacemaker! Even though you don't believe that you are judging others, the way you say things certainly screams otherwise. I am sure you aren't an angry person, but your posts make me want to cry! I don't understand how your tactics for teaching the Christian faith can come out as so judgmental and unforgiving.

I don't believe I have the right to dictate how somebody should live their life! Homosexuality is not going to kill me. Homosexuality is not going to make me lose sleep tonight. Homosexuality is not going to corrupt my children's minds. A man/man or woman/woman marriage is not going to change my relationship with God! Only God can judge ANYBODY!!! So, until the final hour, I will treat humanity with respect regardless of their sexual preference, race, gender, etc!

What happened to judge by the content of ones character??

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spwright 06/28/13 - 11:40 am
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Your World

6/28/13 localmrs, I'm trying to understand just where you are coming from & have settled on the following :

In Your World, ONLY Lilly White Republican Christian Heterosexuals are worthy of the Kingdom of Heaven. Anyone that does not believe as You Believe will burn in Hell ?
Is that correct ? Only heterosexual Christians will be accepted ?

SPW

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Suss 06/28/13 - 01:14 pm
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No Love

locomrs' dogma gets worse toward the issue of Love. Only those she deems christian enough can know love. I think her religious belief system and foundation is smaller than her keyboard. I hope she may learn and respect all people and their cultures.

Localmrs
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Localmrs 06/28/13 - 06:29 pm
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Attacking me and avoiding the real issues

http://www.proofthatgodexists.org/index.php

I love everyone. I don't want one single person to go to Hell. But I didn't create the Universe. God did. I can only speak to what the Bible says. I believe in God's Word in the Holy Bible and what it says. All of it. Read the bible. I am not even white, so I don't know why you brought up race. Telling someone that homosexuality is wrong is like telling a smoker they will get cancer if they don't quit. You are mistaken, it is not judging. The Bible says all love comes from God. Apart from God there is no love. You may not agree with what I have to say, why don't you say I do not agree instead of trying to personally attack me? Speaking on the issue of respect: calling my faith "dogma" shows a complete lack of respect for all spirituality. If I did not love I would not try to warn people. All you keep on insulting and attacking me and avoid a logical argument.

http://www.proofthatgodexists.org/index.php

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spwright 06/28/13 - 10:17 pm
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Simple Question

localmrs, No one attack you. I only ask a simple question.

Will only heterolsexual Christians be accepted into heaven ?

We endure lenghty Novels & sermons from you.

Just a simple yes or no is needed. SPW

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Suss 06/29/13 - 12:15 am
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Jesus and DOMA

Jesus would want his gay children respected and protected like all his children of any faith, there are over 1,000 benefits/reasons to be joyful that the prayers of the harmed were heard and answered by God, so that fairness, equality and reason prevailed.
http://www.aclu.org/lgbt-rights/after-doma-what-it-means-you,

God has a plan for mankind and all are welcome through his love. No person, church or personal dogma will destroy God's goodwill towards the deserving gay couples.

For those that see a bigoted hateful Jesus, I say you do not know God.

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Localmrs 06/29/13 - 09:10 am
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God does not make people gay

God does not make people gay. You dont know or understand the nature of God. You can't support you're viewpoint with any scripture in the Bible. What you are saying is you're worldview is superior to mine but it's only based on you're own reasoning. You create you're own dogma. So you're saying you know better than God. From where does you're authority to speak come from? I know you scourer these clarion coments and harass Christians and conservatives. Who was it in you're life that hurt you that made you this way? I believe in the absolute truth that is revealed to us by God in the Bible. We do not agree. I can not rely on my own reasoning but only on God. No man can claim to know more than God or project his own ideas on him. God is love but he also hate sin and unless you repent of your sin and accept The Lord Jesus into you're heart, you can not be saved. Repent means to turn and walk away from. I suggest you read the book of Romans. Christianity is defined in the Bible. If you do not believe God's Word and have Jesus in you're heart, you can not be a Christian.

God’s Wrath Against Sinful Humanity
Romans 1
18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

Localmrs
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Localmrs 06/29/13 - 09:12 am
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Romans 1 continued

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

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Localmrs 06/29/13 - 09:20 am
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Roman 6 Dead to Sin Alive in Christ

6 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his. 6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with,[a] that we should no longer be slaves to sin— 7 because anyone who has died has been set free from sin.

8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9 For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. 10 The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.

11 In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. 12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. 13 Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of righteousness. 14 For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.

Localmrs
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Localmrs 06/29/13 - 09:22 am
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Romans 6 continued

Slaves to Righteousness

15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means! 16 Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance. 18 You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.

19 I am using an example from everyday life because of your human limitations. Just as you used to offer yourselves as slaves to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness, so now offer yourselves as slaves to righteousness leading to holiness. 20 When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness. 21 What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things result in death! 22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in[b] Christ Jesus our Lord.

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Localmrs 06/29/13 - 09:30 am
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Hebrews 10:26

Slaves to Righteousness

15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means! 16 Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance. 18 You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.

19 I am using an example from everyday life because of your human limitations. Just as you used to offer yourselves as slaves to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness, so now offer yourselves as slaves to righteousness leading to holiness. 20 When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness. 21 What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things result in death! 22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in[b] Christ Jesus our Lord.

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Localmrs 06/29/13 - 09:33 am
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Correction Hebrews 10:26

26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”[d] and again, “The Lord will judge his people.”[e] 31 It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

32 Remember those earlier days after you had received the light, when you endured in a great conflict full of suffering. 33 Sometimes you were publicly exposed to insult and persecution; at other times you stood side by side with those who were so treated. 34 You suffered along with those in prison and joyfully accepted the confiscation of your property, because you knew that you yourselves had better and lasting possessions. 35 So do not throw away your confidence; it will be richly rewarded.

36 You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised. 37 For,

“In just a little while,
he who is coming will come
and will not delay.”[f]
38 And,

“But my righteous[g] one will live by faith.
And I take no pleasure
in the one who shrinks back.”[h]
39 But we do not belong to those who shrink back and are destroyed, but to those who have faith and are saved.

Localmrs
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Localmrs 06/29/13 - 09:56 am
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There is Hope John 3:16

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. 19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. 21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God.

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spwright 06/29/13 - 10:10 am
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Can't I get a Simple Answer

Can't I get a Simple Answer to a Simple Question ? SPW

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beaverlooper 06/29/13 - 11:17 am
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Short answer SPW

The short answer SPW is no, you can't get a simple answer to a simple question from localmrs. She cherry picks scripture to fit her own personal views on the world. She's the kind of Christian that gives Christians a bad name to some folks. Her interpretation of the bible is vitriolic and hateful.

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Localmrs 06/29/13 - 05:39 pm
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How often do you read the Bible?

According to scripture and to the Majority of Christians around the world: God Created a perfect world. Human kind sinned and fell from grace and are subject to the wrath of God. God love us so much that He sent Jesus Christ his only son as a sacrifice to die to attone for all sin. Jesus died and rose from the dead and ascended into heaven three days later. God also gave us the Holy Spirit as a guide. One day unknown to man he will return and take those who are saved to live eternally with Him. If you ask God into you're heart and repent of you're sins, you will be "born again" and saved from Hell. Baptism is obediance to God and a symbol of being born again. Also you rei leve the gift of the Holy Spirit. Now one you are saved, you are still in you're human body in this world. You will sin again. The goal for Christians is to develop a personal relationship with God. To continue to grow and to seek holiness. When a Christian sins, we must acknowledge our mistakes to God I prayer and ask for forgiveness. If we are genuine God forgives us and forgets our sins. Now as to the issue of homosexual conduct. Homosexuality is a sin like ANY other sin. God hates all sin. If you want to be right with God you must work to change sinful behavior now that you know it is wrong. God has high standards, perfect standards. You can not ignore that God hates sin. At the same time God is loving gracious and merciful. If you admit to God you can't make it on you're own, He is faithful in His promises to love and forgive, bless and sustain you. Who goes to heaven and hell? Those who reject God go to Hell. Those who are saved go to Heaven to live in the presence of God.

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Suss 06/29/13 - 05:42 pm
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Bigoted

Cut, paste and spam away Jesus is still watching you.

Bigoted
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utterly intolerant of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own...
For the intolerant....Pray for them, and "Father forgive them, for they do not know what they do".
"Eli Eli lama sabachthani?"

Localmrs
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Localmrs 06/29/13 - 05:46 pm
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You can't handle my freedom to a differnce opinon

You are being hateful and judging me by labeling me and calling me names. You can't handle that other people don't agree with you. I sir am at peace with it.

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spwright 06/30/13 - 09:01 am
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Still Waiting for a Simple

Still Waiting for a Simple Yes or No

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beaverlooper 06/30/13 - 09:42 am
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More than one christian way of thinking

Localmrs doesn't seem to understand that her interpretation of the Bible is not the only one. If it was, there would only be one church. I don't know how many denominations there are out there ,but there are dozens. There are even Christian churches that have mostly gay congregations. It's just that I find her particular dogma repulsive and judgmental.

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Sam Von Pufendorf 06/30/13 - 10:43 am
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re: No one is born gay

" How is it possible that identical twins with identical DNA have different sexual attractions?" Sort of the same as one of the twins being able to sing and the other can't. All individuals are unique. No two are exactly the same gentetically.
"Breaking News: Jason Collins announces he's gay. His identical twin brother, Jarron, announces he's straight. How is it possible that identical twins with identical DNA have different sexual attractions? "
Simple... Jarron is still in the closet!

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kenai123 06/30/13 - 12:47 pm
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Homosexual "activity" is not love

Homosexual "activity" is not love by any definition. This activity is closer to the "zombie apocalypse" term. Anyone who wants to call it normal is out of their minds. It is like Monsanto's claiming that its genitally engineered corn is "normal". It's not really normal but they just say it is, while hoping that you will some day believe it. Monsanto's motivation is money. The [filtered word] motivation is pure and simple lust. Both are lies no matter how long you repeat them.

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beaverlooper 06/30/13 - 01:15 pm
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lies

"Both are lies no matter how long you repeat them." Kind of like saying hook and release doesn't harm fish and guides have no effect on the king salmon run? The guides motivation is greed (another sin) pure and simple. Off topic I know but.....

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Sam Von Pufendorf 06/30/13 - 02:00 pm
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A definition of "Love"

"A feeling of strong attachment induced by that which delights or commands admiration; preëminent kindness or devotion to another; affection; tenderness"

"To take delight or pleasure in; to have a strong liking or desire for, or interest in; to be pleased with; to like; as, to love books; to love adventures, to love thy neighbor"

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