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Alaska defends same-sex marriage ban

Posted: June 19, 2014 - 9:29pm  |  Updated: June 19, 2014 - 9:38pm

JUNEAU, Alaska (AP) — The state denies its laws on marriage curb the constitutional rights of five same-sex couples suing over Alaska’s gay marriage ban.

The couples, four married outside Alaska and one unmarried couple, sued in federal court seeking to overturn the ban. Alaska voters approved a constitutional amendment in 1998 defining marriage as between one man and one woman.

In a filing Thursday, the state doesn’t get into its legal arguments. Instead, there is a claim-by-claim response to the plaintiffs.

State attorneys say voters had a “fundamental right to decide the important public policy issue of whether to alter the traditional definition” of marriage.

They say Alaska isn’t required to recognize same-sex marriages performed in other states and that, as a sovereign state, Alaska has the right to define and regulate marriage.

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LaFern
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LaFern 06/20/14 - 07:10 pm
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Hilarious

I can't wait until right wing officials and zealots in this state, and in other states and those facing being called to the floor about their hatred around the world, have to twist and turn and whine when the bans are all systematically overturned.

It's extremely bone-tickling hilarious that the Republicans can argue that it was a vote, and yet, funny, I don't ever remembering going to a voting booth to see if we approve of heterosexual couples being able to marry.

Do you think that it's because it's a civil right? Tee hee hee.

jford
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jford 06/20/14 - 09:46 pm
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Don't know how old you are, but a vote there was.

Ballot Measure 2 of 1998 was a ballot measure that added an amendment to the Alaska Constitution that prohibited the recognition of same-sex marriage in Alaska. Ballot Measure 2 passed via public referendum on November 3, 1998 with 68% of voters supporting and 32% opposing.

Not saying it's right or morally justifiable, but in this state, one of the reddest of red states, what's right or morally justifiable isn't likely to make much of a difference to most voters here.

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Norseman 06/21/14 - 10:46 am
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It really is a shame that our

It really is a shame that our state is so far on the wrong side of history on this matter.

The biggest hypocrisy is that we have gay and lesbian soldiers in all of our armed forces, but they are not allowed the same freedoms the rest of us have.

rwhobby
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rwhobby 06/22/14 - 12:22 pm
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Man & woman

Marriage is between man and woman period.

Norseman
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Norseman 06/22/14 - 02:04 pm
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Even if being gay was a

Even if being gay was a choice, so what? People choose to be asshats and they can get married.

jlmh
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jlmh 06/22/14 - 02:35 pm
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Ah, the issue that never

Ah, the issue that never dies.

Why don't we ever see any discussion about the logistics of same-sex marriage? I am curious how child custody issues would play out, for instance. In terms of legal benefits and entitlements, it seems like those things could be secured without marriage. But both "sides" are only interested in moralizing the issue, or attaching a status to it. Practically speaking, does it make any difference whatsoever if same-sex marriage is legalized or not?

jford
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jford 06/22/14 - 03:54 pm
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Practically speaking? More like 'as impractical as it gets'.

Did you really suspect that asking as impractical a question as you just did that it might fall in some way within your definition of practical speaking?

If you're so completely uninformed about an issue that you have to ask if the issue itself makes any difference, what makes you think you have anything of any practical value to add to the discussion?

Ever think to inform yourself about an issue before thinking you should weigh in?

There are numerous reasons of very real importance for the issue to be resolved. Problems both large and small, but none of them negligible, and they all need to be corrected.

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Raoulduke 06/22/14 - 04:42 pm
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Rights

Looks like the vote of 1998. Displayed how 2/3 of the voters.Would like to see the civil liberties of American citizens denied. Just WHY are Alaskan voters so afraid of citizens having the same rights.They are Americans.They are Alaskan's.The gays,and lesbians are also serving this country in our military.If anybody deserves EQUAL treatment it is the men ,and women serving in our military.Remember Republicans.you have backed the wars since before 9/11.they are doing your bidding.So reward them with EQUALITY. Our state,or federal government should treat ALL citizens EQUALLY.The hypocrisy of the statement "EQUAL Under The LAW is just that HYPOCRISY. The shame is.Alaska displays this hypocrisy on its sleeve.

jlmh
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jlmh 06/22/14 - 06:29 pm
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Such as?

Such as?

jford
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jford 06/22/14 - 07:23 pm
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You need someone to tell you how to research an issue?

..or do you need someone to hold your hand?

jlmh
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jlmh 06/23/14 - 12:01 pm
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That's not an answer

Sure, I've heard reasons for legalizing gay marriage and reasons for banning it. They all revolve around their position being morally superior, or inherently "right." I have yet to hear how legalizing or banning gay marriage has practical implications.

Just declaring that there are compelling reasons for your position, without sharing them, is how people avoid rebuttals.

jford
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jford 06/24/14 - 09:07 am
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Instead of relying on hearsay, why don't you do the research?

It's not hard, you do have a computer.

Here's a simple hint, (I'm sure you'll wonder why you didn't think of it), Google 'practical implications of legalizing same sex marriage'.

Taking it further, Google 'equal treatment under the law'.

There, that wasn't so hard.

Now collect the links and do some reading, all you claim to have heard is not much at all compared to the totality of the issue. Where do you hear that? Talk radio?

As for my avoiding rebuttal? I'm not at all interested in your uninformed 'rebuttal'. I do my best to avoid the uninformed.

Whatever your claimed sources, they're exceedingly limited if you've not heard more than you claim.

Critical thinking can be done all on your own.

You should try it. Then apply it.

Expand your sources. See if it doesn't help you to expand that view you claim you're limited to.

jlmh
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jlmh 06/24/14 - 08:10 am
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"If you read what I read then

"If you read what I read then you'd automatically have the same opinion as me." Yeah, sure. Or maybe I think those so-called problems aren't important, or can be addressed in better ways. Who knows? I can't read your mind in terms of which aspects you find compelling, and it'd be a waste of time to respond to every point any one has ever made on the subject. That's fine.

jford
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jford 06/24/14 - 09:10 am
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Wasn't looking for a response,

was thinking instead maybe you'd learn to learn something on your own instead of operating on unfounded supposition.

I already stated I have no desire to listen to responses from uninformed people, they don't add to the discussion.

As to all your unfounded suppositions and imagined misconceptions? If I had to guess, I'd say that addresses some insecurity you feel, it sounds like a personal problem.

You could have used the time to learn something, but you've shown instead that's not apt to happen. It's not my problem if you choose not to learn, from all the evidence, there's a minority of the population who choose likewise. I don't listen to them. They're uninformed by choice, as unfortunate as that is.

Raoulduke
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Raoulduke 06/29/14 - 03:30 pm
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Defending

Alaska DEFENDS this ban on same sex marriage.The question remains.How can one defend the INDEFENSIBLE? The Legal cost to the state for this losing cause will be very costly indeed.Alaskan's! Remember These costs will be paid from your tax dollar's. Parnell must really like spending YOUR tax dollars on frivolous law suits.I guess.This is just one of the ways .He displays his FISCAL minded CONSERVATIVENESS. Don't you just love him?

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Suss 06/29/14 - 04:31 pm
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$, Parnell & Church Folk

Koch and Church in Anchorage

Parnell at party urging everyone to dig deep and donate. The money goes to people like Parnell that do the church group's bidding when it comes to making laws that are faith based. Things like school vouchers, and bans on anything the preacher does not like.

Turn the Lights on and off - The Full Audio from the Alaska Family Council Fundraiser

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a7zLRRFcvI8

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/12305

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