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Law enforcement should engage community in dialogue

Posted: October 22, 2012 - 2:33pm  |  Updated: October 23, 2012 - 7:38am

So our Law Enforcers know how to shoot to kill (“Making Shots Count,” Peninsula Clarion, Oct. 19), but do they know when and who and even why they should shoot to kill? I am far more concerned about the mental proficiency of those who use lethal force than I am about their firearms knowhow. They can punch holes in paper but can they recite the Bill of Rights and do they know what they mean?

Bear in mind that just a couple months ago the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) ordered 750 million rounds hollow point ammo to distributed to agencies such as the IRS, TSA and even to our local enforcers (Google: DHS Hollow Point Ammo). Add to that the growing takeover of local law enforcement departments by the DHS. Doubt it? Have you heard of the National Incident Management System? Just Google: NIMS, what is it? How about Fusion Centers? (Google: DHS Fusion Centers).

It appears that the central government is preparing for war against someone and it would seem that the central government is more intent on creating an adversarial mindset throughout law enforcement than it is trying to engender cooperation with the people they serve. Do the math: 750 million rounds of hollow point and 250 million adults.

Why, you should ask, aren’t these law enforcement officers meeting with the citizens in town hall forums to explain why their departments are being taken over by federal agencies and to what extent they are willing to comply with federal tyranny? Instead of showing us that they are skilled in “two in the chest and one to the head,” how about dialoguing with folks to bring back trust and cooperation within our community? How deeply is the federal central government embedded in local law enforcement? Will my local law enforcers march alongside jack-booted federal goons or stand with We The People against tyranny? Perhaps local law enforcers owe us some answers.

Norm Olson

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Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 10/23/12 - 08:21 am
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WICKED THIS WAY COMES

Again i will repeat the well known facts of in this life we have Good, Rightiousness standing right along side Evil, Wickedness and it's very hard sometimes to tell which is which unless one is really practicing their abilities of discernment and Watching and Listening to what is going on around them at every level of life.
Our military is being killed while inside camps and bases where they should be safe, in Afgan and America as well as other places by people that are standing right beside them and who they think they can trust, but can't.
This is shameful but due to not really Watching for troubles or proper understand of this fight between Good and Evil.
This fight is at warp speed now and everyone must be on WATCH against the spread of Evil which hates even those that are used in it's spread and only wants to destroy.
EVERY AREA OF LIFE HAS GOOD AND EVIL FIGHTING SIDE BY SIDE, EVERY AREA.
WHOSE SIDE ARE YOU REALLY ON AND WHO CAN YOU REALLY TRUST IN THIS FIGHT WE ALL ARE INVOLVED IN IS MY QUESTION?
My question is not ment to point any fingers, but to inform us that many things are not as they appear and we really need to be looking and listening to whats going on around us before it's too late and we suffer GR8 lose of Freedoms and Life in America and World wide.

normolson
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normolson 10/23/12 - 03:25 pm
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Who, When, and Why to Shoot to Kill

Who, When, and Why to Shoot to Kill

The Clarion article and this blog is no doubt being read with interest by Law Enforcement personnel. The front page spread emphasizing lethal force and proficiency in killing with just three shots ought to raise a more important question:
Is this the way our local law enforcement people want to be characterized? Does it give the idea that if we the people don't immediately bow to their power, they have the means and the ability to blow us away? Is that really how it needs to be?
If I were a member of the Kenai cop shop, I'd be very offended that the emphasis on my knowledge and training has been boiled down to "two in the chest and one in the head."
Everyone else who is watching this blog may never get it, but I'm sure that the members of the Kenai and Soldotna police department get it. Has the ability to kill us become the primary impetus for people to submit without question, interference, or delay to the officer who has his Glock pointed at us?
Yes, yes, I know they've been to the Academy. And yes, I know all about the Alaska Police Standards Council and the psychological battery of interviews polygraphs each LE officer must go through, but does the public know what it takes to be a cop????? There's the problem!
To their credit, it takes a whole lot more to become a law enforcement officer than just being able to kill someone.

Again, if I were a cop in the Kenai/Soldotna force, I'd be greatly offended by the narrow focus that the Peninsula Clarion (with the approval of the police themselves) placed on me as an officer!

All of you LE folks out there reading this ought to be likewise offended and should speak out. Let the public know that being a cop is a complex job calling on far more than just the ability to gun someone down.
The Clarion, by its article, gave you all a very cheap shot and you probably didn't realize how insulting it was until I asked you.

So you can shoot, but do you know when, who, and why you can kill someone.

Each of you know that bad chiefs and other officers exist. We've had enough sorrow from bad cops. So why don't you all dedicate yourselves to the best that you can be and let us know also that you take great pride in your knowledge of the Constitution and Bill of Rights and the Alaska Constitution so that WE THE PEOPLE can be secure in the knowledge that you are around.....and that you police your own.

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gfds98765
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gfds98765 10/23/12 - 05:30 pm
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No one owes you diddle-squat

You’re a grown man (supposedly) local cops don’t have to waste their time and energy kissing your sorry but-tox. Take care of cleaning up your own dirty back yard. No one owes you diddle-squat. Not the cops, not your neighbors, no one!

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DavidHarding 10/23/12 - 05:34 pm
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3 hollow points per adult. Do

3 hollow points per adult.

Do I win a prize?

lkpomn912
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lkpomn912 10/23/12 - 05:39 pm
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Weird that even YOU can own a gun

I sure hope the cops don’t stand with YOU mr. letter writer.
Weird that even YOU can own a gun, without all the rigamarole and 20 levels of screening that you want a cop to have. Now that’s creepy scary. Who knows how ‘MENTAL’ you are?

Chilling, daunting, frightening gun-using criminals don't get pre-screened, do they? that's who concerns this citizen.

freedomlibertytruth
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freedomlibertytruth 10/23/12 - 05:59 pm
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your local public safety, emergency folks are your neighbors

Most of us, who are not criminals and drug addicted law breakers, do know some local, cops, firemen, nurses, doctors, emts etc. socially as they are out in the OPEN for all to see, part of our community. Friends, neighbors, family.

If you need to know them, march your backside down to meet them. You're not King George, so stand down! they don't have to gratify and obey you.

They are INDIVIDUAL American middle class workers, not brainwashed black ops squads from the current White House. {The 'Civilian National Security Force' that Barack Hussein Obama demands, now that's a problem.}

DavidHarding; yes you’ve hit it right on target. 2nd amend.

Gfds98765; yes the cops don’t owe this guy anything. They give enough.

normolson
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normolson 10/23/12 - 06:54 pm
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Is that what you really think?

Do you think that Kenai or Soldotna LE want to be portrayed as single-dimension "shoot to kill" automatons? If some LE folks would take the risk to add to this blog, I'd say they might want the public to know that they are not to be perceived as gun slingers.
Why not allow them to comment. The Clarion article did indeed show their ability to kill, but did it examine the real people behind the Glock? Sadly, it did not. I know nothing about those men and women on the firing line other than they can lay two into the chest and one to the head.
I think our local cops want to present a balanced protrayal of who they are.
These people attend an academy, go through rigorous psychological testing and interviews, undergo lie detector examinations, and attend classes on the Bill of Rights and Constitution. Certainly they are more than just a bunch of uniformed killers able to deliver deadly force in a very effective way.
Don't you think that they might want to redeem the characterization that the Clarion focused on?

Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 10/23/12 - 07:35 pm
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i can't figure this responce out

I am puzzled about the responce from some to what Norm is saying about the article as i reread his comments and others.
It seems that those that have claimed to be on the Right are acting like they are now on the Left, which does puzzle me.
Help explain to this old hick what i seem to be missing here with the attacks against Norms questions as i can't get a real hold on it.

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Norseman 10/24/12 - 06:21 am
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There you go again with your

There you go again with your paranoid, conspiracy driven dribble. You really like to use the term "jack booted federal goons" a lot don't you.
Militia members despise law enforcement or any type of authority. Just ask militia man Cox from Fairbanks what his thoughts are on law enforcement. I seem to recall it was called a twofer plan. Kill 2 of theirs for each one of ours.

Thankfully, our men and women in law enforcement (jack booted federal goons) stopped him and the other milita members before they went on a killing rampage.

Our law enforcement personnel put thier lives on the line every single day. They have to deal with all types of society including drug addicts, thieves, rapists, child molestors, violent assaults, drunks, people with mental issues (the end is near), and domestic extremists groups like the militia.

Being proficient in shooting was also required of me when I was in the military. Need to be able to kill, then be killed. Nothing wrong with that at all. I WANT my law enforcement people to be highly proficient at shooting, just like I wanted my fellow soldiers to be good shots. Never know when that just might save your own life or some others. Kudos to them!

The intent of the milita is to divide our community. Issues that pertain to law enforcement or hot button issues brings the militia out of the woodwork. Militias love to put gas on fires and pounce on any issues that they can use to push their agendas.

Don't worry norm, you will get your chance to have diaglogue with our law enforcement some day. The way the militia is going, I am pretty sure it will be thru a bullhorn....

Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 10/24/12 - 10:39 am
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I agree with you Norseman

Yet there are many nut jobs that our local and military have to deal with on a day to day basis and i notice you mentioned a few, but i also noticed you left off a few and they are.
Exmilitary or Law inforcement people that also have mental issues and seek to dominate and force others into their minds eye of exceptable citizenry and if they don't fit then they are to be denied any voice in any area under OUR Freedoms.
Then there are those still in service in the military & Law inforcement that also have mental issues and go off killing others such as Family, friends & neighbors as well as coworkers using the massive amounts of training that we paid for to do so.
Why do they do these things? Because they want to have it their way and our nations Moral Compass has come to a complete stop thats why.
Norseman your worried about Norm, or Believers in Christ Jesus like me? Well i'm worried about you and SPW and others like you that claim to be fighting for Freedom for others.
But while your also practicing your POLITICO-RELIGIOUS BELIEFS, DESIRES of a forced compliance to what the Democrates seek in a totally submissive Union One and all nonunion members are of no value to you, seems to show a bit of Falsehood on your parts.
So what have we accomplished here Norseman other than each sharing our opinions of WHO CAN AND WHO CANNOT BE TRUSTED ON ANY GIVEN SUNDAY, LOCALLY OR NATIONALLY OR GLOBALLY??

Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 10/24/12 - 11:01 am
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Theres More

Norseman in the list of potential problem areas i left off wives, exwives, husbands, exhusbands, children or other relatives, boyfriends, girlfriends classmates, postal workers, office workers, hospital workers, church members or other religious people.
ON & ON & ON the list can go of those nutjobs as you MR Perfect think need to be put down when they act out for any reason and could go off on anyone or everyone at any time.

The list is endless yet you seem to know WHO IS WHO and must always be respected or else or found suspect according to your POLITICO-RELIGIOUS BELIEFS, or else.

normolson
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normolson 10/24/12 - 01:28 pm
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Public Health and Safety

It would seem to me that great benefit could be derived from a close relationship between law enforcement and the community. For example, members of the Seward Police Force are required to "walk a beat" for an hour each day while on duty. They are to meet with shop owners, people on lunch break, and other ordinary people. Do the Kenai or Soldotna police do that? If not, why not?
While some who care nothing about the loss of Alaska's sovereignty couldn't care less, there are others who are deeply concerned that the very real possibility exists whereby we the people will lose control of local law enforcement to the aggressive onslaught of federal involvement and dictates of federal tyranny.
Granted, scenarios and "what ifs" are unreliable, but what if there were a social conflict that would upset our cozy and comfortable world. Would our local LE stand with the people, or would they work hand-in-hand with FEMA and assist in the plans laid out by the NDAA to suspend the Constitution (and that of Alaska)? Is it wrong to ask or to discover on whose side our LE would stand? I would hope they would stand in strong defense of the Constitution (isn't that their oath?), but all I have is hope...I have no evidence or pledge from them that they would.
While chatting recently with the president of the Alaska Association of Police Chiefs, I didn't ask directly, but was told that the police would follow orders. Fortunately the individual I spoke with was a strong supporter of the Constitution, but would he risk his job to disobey federal orders to suspend or deny our rights? Would he risk his pension to defend the Constitution?
Doesn't it bother anyone here in Alaska that NOT ONE POLICE CHIEF or TROOPER COMMANDER is elected to office by the people? Doesn't it bother anyone that ALL Law Enforcement is selected for employment by a tiny council or committee usually appointed by some mayor, assembly, or other group. In other words, doesn't it bother anyone here in Alaska that the person who pulls his/her weapon is a total stranger, picked out for the job by people who have no idea who they are other than their test results from the police academy?
I doubt that anyone reading this blog has really looked into the design of the NDAA, DHA Fusion Centers, or DHA's NIMS, or the regime's Executive Orders that call for a complete suspension of the Constitution.
When the federal gestapo comes up your driveway, will you local police be with them or will they oppose them if they are in violation of your Constitutional guarantee of due process? Will your local law enforcement be willing to be risk their job by questioning federal authorities when those authorities are bent on suspending YOUR rights? Will your local police turn you over to the feds without so much as demanding to see the evidence against you or to make sure there is a proper writ or warrant properly issued by a ligitimate authority?
My fear is that local LE will concede it's power and jurisdiction to the federalees without a struggle and that they may have done so already.

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lkpomn912 10/24/12 - 04:40 pm
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Thankfully, they'll come &

Thankfully, they'll come & get you first, then we'll know they're here!

freedomlibertytruth
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freedomlibertytruth 10/24/12 - 04:54 pm
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WotW you don’t need to remain

WotW you don’t need to remain puzzled – I repeat Free Independent Americans Cannot be locked together in chains, or in party line boxes. You know that.

Constitutional Americans will not allow themselves become zombies to any messiah, local, national or One world order.

We have a decent low crime, considerate community. The Kenai Peninsula is one of the last holds of American Values. Thanks to the local Free Independent Americans.

There really was nothing to see here in this article, anymore than if they had shown lineman, oil drillers, surgeons, paramedics, ship captains, pilots, or train engineers in their jobs, as sometimes, just sometimes Mother Nature takes lives in a multitude of circumstances where Alaskans are working.

NORSEMAN wrote the best commentary this round. Well done.

DAVIDHARDING sharp shooting in your commentary.

Keep up the good work Kenai Peninsula Public Safety! You are individual independent Free Americans, use your own judgment.

gfds98765
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gfds98765 10/24/12 - 05:01 pm
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who's the goat?

'norm' keep talking! It’s like a goat staking himself to the post, making himself the bait. Then the rest of us will know who the attacking jack booted thugs are. (if they really do show up) I'm going underground

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RaySouthwell 10/28/12 - 08:49 am
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Bring on the police state.

Good shot, from the police after they were called, by a mother, trying to help her son.

Should we ask why was this 16 year old so distraught or just shoot to kill. Ignore how we treat each other and bring on the police state.

http://www.cbsatlanta.com/story/19917831/teen-shot-by-police-sniper-pare...

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normolson 10/28/12 - 12:36 pm
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Bring on The Police State

Add to the NDAA, NIMS, and FUSION CENTERS something new.

On Oct. 26, President Obama signed a new Executive Order which expands the role and scope of Homeland Security in states and areas across the country. This order, which establishes a new Security Partnership Council, will have far reaching effects in the overall mission of Homeland Security, and for state and local areas that interact with the Federal agency.

Economically, the Establishing the White House Homeland Security Partnership Council Executive Order will increase funding and resources to state and local governments to fulfill Homeland Security programs and doctrines, as well as increase Federal oversight in the implementation of directives tied to the agencies mission.
“The purpose of this order is to maximize the Federal Government's ability to develop local partnerships in the United States to support homeland security priorities. Partnerships are collaborative working relationships in which the goals, structure, and roles and responsibilities of the relationships are mutually determined.

There is established a White House Homeland Security Partnership Council (Council) to foster local partnerships -- between the Federal Government and the private sector, nongovernmental organizations, foundations, community-based organizations, and State, local, tribal, and territorial government and law enforcement -- to address homeland security challenges.

Sec. 3. Mission and Function of the Council and Steering Committee

(ii) promote homeland security priorities and opportunities for collaboration between Federal Government field offices and State, local, tribal, and territorial stakeholders;

(iii) advise and confer with State, local, tribal, and territorial stakeholders and agencies interested in expanding or building local homeland security partnerships; - Whitehouse.gov

Since it's creation in 2001 from the aftermath of 9/11, the Department of Homeland Security has expanded its authority over states, communities, and law enforcement each year. From expanding TSA responsibilities over airport transportation to now include trains, subways, and even highway checkpoints, to new regulations in how border control agents function in immigration conflicts, Homeland Security is one of the fastest growing government agencies in the past decade.

Through creating a new Steering Committee in partnership with how Homeland Security missions, directives, and programs are implemented in state and local levels, the fine line between state sovereignty and the need protect the country from disaster and terror attacks is becoming smaller every day. Over the past few years Homeland Security grants to local law enforcement have led to a militarization of police and public safety, and new drone technology is being used in criminal investigations outside the scope of national security.

In a little more than a decade, the Department of Homeland Security, in conjunction with its underlying and partnering Federal agencies, have infiltrated nearly every community in America. This new Executive Order, which expands the scope of the agency and gives it greater power in state and local partnerships, will mean greater loss of freedoms and liberties to both the states and citizens as the Federal government imposes greater authority over what should remain state sovereignty scope and missions.

normolson
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normolson 10/28/12 - 01:36 pm
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I Hope Someone in LE is Reading This.

To LE:

You, better than anyone else, know that the federal government is moving toward greater control of local LE assets. You have been told that everyone out there is your enemy and wants you dead. Your fear has made you welcome more equipment and technology that will "even the odds." Your escalation is being countered by people more frightened of you than ever before...and frightened people are unpredictable people.
Be aware: You are being duped. No amount of federal power or equipment or hi-tech will replace what used to be the best resource LE could ever have: the total trust of the public. I think you're missing a great opportunity to work with the public to create that trust... The problem, however, is that the massive increase of federal assets scares people. Why, for example, does LE need more than a billion rounds of hollow point ammo?
People are, inspite of naysayers, becoming aware that the central government is growing to strengths unknown in its history. It is intruding deeper and deeper into local LE agencies. Armored humvees and Kevlar coated "troops" have replaced the "cop on the beat." The appearance of Enforcers with their helmets and ugly guns have replaced the cops we once knew.
Oh, yes, and please spare me the rhetoric that says we are living in a more dangerous world.... THE DANGEROUS WORLD IS BEING CREATED BY THOSE WHO CONTROL YOU!!!! Who's side are you on? Don't give me that "on the side of law and order." Are you on the side of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and lawful due process of law? Who's barking orders to you?

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RaySouthwell 10/28/12 - 03:17 pm
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More police-state action

More police-state action. The city I grew up in, Detroit. Swat team and tanks, to take a child from her mother. Make sure you watch the ABC news video at the end.

http://www.cchrint.org/tag/maryanne-godboldo/

Norseman
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Norseman 10/28/12 - 04:02 pm
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Well if it ain't the norm and

Well if it ain't the norm and ray show.....

normolson
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normolson 10/28/12 - 04:07 pm
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Parity?

Hollowpoint bullets do not wound. They are designed to kill.
They are outlawed by all civilized nations for use in warfare.

LE should be very conscience of the escalation such bullets will create. There is one bullet that is far more nasty than a hollowpoint and that's a ballistic tip rifle bullet traveling at 3200 FPS. It will literally cut a human body in two.

Is that what LE wants to do? Do they want a bloody "arms race" to see who can shoot the other with the most deadly rounds imagineable? Are LE agencies comfortable by threatening civilian populations with published orders for nearly a billion rounds of hollowpoints? I'd bet that over the last year the amount of hollowpoint bullets sold and/or ordered by re-loaders has increased.

Often the cops will say to someone during a contact: "Is that a threat?" Any such veiled threat can result in immediate arrest. So, what would you call a billion rounds of man killing hollowpoint round obtained by LE agencies for use against the civilian population?

That's what I'd call a REAL threat!

So, I'd like to know, "What's in your gun?"

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spwright 10/28/12 - 05:16 pm
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The Word Militia

Sun. 10/28/12
I guess that I have some sort of Social Disorder ? Don't Know?

Simply hearing the word "Militia" my brain immediately goes back to 1995 & the Bombing of the Federal Bldg in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. Many Americans were Murdered there including Women, Children & Toddlers & Babies.

So Rant & Rave about what Good Americans the Militia are.
I Don't Think So.

SPW "Airborne"

Norseman
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Norseman 10/28/12 - 05:19 pm
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Seems to my best recollection

Seems to my best recollection that the Fairbanks militia had grenades, grenade launchers, m50's, m60's, mines and a sundry of other war related items.
They also were found guilty of multiple charges and are awaiting sentencing.

I as a US citizen want my law enforcement to be the best shots and the best armed force. I am a law abiding citizen and have never in 60 years been or feel threatened of law enforcement. Just the opposite.
I respect and admire the men and women who serve and protect.
What I abhor are the domestic extremists who are totally aginst our law enforcemnt and government. Nothing more than traitors to our nation and they might as well join the taliban.

Wasn't that far back that the miltia invited the whackjob Stephen Cox down here to speak at the sports center. bob bird gave remarks welcoming this new up and coming "star".
This punk wouldn't take off his hat nor put his hand over his heart during the pledge of allegiance. All of you on that stage praised and admired him. Some of us in the audience that day were repulsed by what we saw and heard.
Now we see who is standing on the right side of history and it sure ain't the militia.

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kenaiphisher 10/28/12 - 05:27 pm
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I have to give it to Norm and

I have to give it to Norm and Ray. They have the brass ones to use their names. I only agree with about 1.73% of what they say and it seems like they just enjoy hearing themselves talk, but good for them to using the First Amendment!

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RaySouthwell 10/28/12 - 06:17 pm
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Bring on the police-state

Bring on the Police-State. Only government can protect us from natural disasters or those militia extremists. We all must think in accordance with government, or lock-em-up, or take them out.

Thank goodness we have the Patriot Act, NDAA, to protect us from those communists- umm-militia extremists. We are so fortunate that the first time since the Civil War our President can execute US citizens without due process to protect us all.

Only those corporate thinkers should be allowed to be free like Norseman and SPWright. The rest should be put away.

normolson
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normolson 10/28/12 - 06:23 pm
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1.73% Ain't Bad . . .

Neither myself nor Ray ever cowered in the shadows of anonymity. That some--you for example--can at least appreciate that there are a few people who believe in what they say and are not willing to hide. I appreciate that you give us some credit for at least being willing to stand behind what we say. BTW, as vocal as we've been over the past 20 years neither of us has been "brought in for questioning" by any authority.
It is sad indeed that the critics who sling the mud on this forum don't have the courage or the stones to even write letters to the editor (since they'd have to stand behind their words with a name).
It really doesn't matter, however. The truth will reveal itself. All we need to do is wait.

normolson
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normolson 10/28/12 - 06:28 pm
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SPW. . .You've Got To Get Informed

There is ample evidence that the Constitutional militia had nothing to do with the Murrah. If you believe it, you're being fed false information...something that a military man should definitely refrain from doing.
Sure, the militia got the rap for the deed, but that too was designed to break the back of the militia due to manufactured consent, a tool used by the government controlled media to feed BS to the public.
There are many people who are learning the truth about the OKC event and although it is hard to believe, and shocking, they realize that your own government was behind it.
Do not be misled by false intel. Too many soldiers have died because of it. Don't be another victim.

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Watchman on the Wall 10/28/12 - 06:41 pm
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How soon we forget the past & present.

Unless i'm suffering from some form of disorder my self don't we also have killings of Americans my military personel in many areas of the world as well as America?
Also don't we also have the innocent killings of men, women and children exposed from all wars, or have we already forgotten about the many atrosities in Viet Nam, Iraq Afganistan and other nations where we are fighting?
Have we already forgotten about the absolute INTENTIONAL SACRIFICE of 4 Americans in Libya on 911 as continual orders to STAND DOWN and not assest these Americans.
Why did this happen when the simplest minded would say and know that they, the peace loving obedient Quran followers that are seeking a world wide caliphate again might strike again on this day of 911?
I agree the Ok city bombing of Americans was an act of cowardness and there is no excuse for it, but just as in our government also in the private sectors we have people bent on destroying life, not preserving it.
But as for ALL the Militia being nut jobs, NO thats not the case and if it was not for American citizens having weapons we would have been attacked and over run by many that seek to destroy us all, BOTH FORIEGN AND DOMESTIC.
So i'll ask again, WHO CAN YOU REALLY TRUST OR DEPEND ON?
It's not mankind thats for sure.

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Norseman 10/28/12 - 07:45 pm
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Wait a minute norm, i thought

Wait a minute norm, i thought you stated that it was the japanese government that was responsible for the Oklahoma city bombing. Now you are stating that it was our own government?
And all this time we executed the wrong man? Yea, timothy mcveigh, the guy with close ties to the militia.

Extreme domestic terrorist groups are a threat to our country. Thankfully we have men and women in Law enforcement trained in observing their every movement.
They did an excellent job in squashing the Fairbanks militia before any innocent men, women, and children were harmed. We have learned alot since the Oklahoma City bombing and 9-11.

normolson
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normolson 10/28/12 - 09:10 pm
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Norseman, You're falling for the same disinformation I did.

The title alone tells the story.

You and the skyguy believe that the militia was to blame for the Murrah building. You're making the same mistake I did when I refused to believe that MY OWN GOVERNMENT would be capable of such an act of barbarism.
Don't take the bait... Take it from someone who jumped to conclusions no based on the facts. You and the skyguy are just as mistaken by thinking the militia was at fault as I was thinking that the Japs did the job.
I've done the research and have confered with the experts and have heard the testimonies. The Murrah job was done by YOUR OWN GOVERNMENT.

It'll be hard for you to accept, but once you do, maybe you'll cut the militia some slack...

You are totally ignorant of what happened. The truth IS out there. Don't keep heaping S*** on me without knowing the facts.

Once you know what REALLY happened, it ought to make you think twice about your nice and friendly central government.

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