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Legalizing pot opens Pandora's box

Posted: February 3, 2014 - 4:36pm  |  Updated: February 4, 2014 - 9:36am

In response to “Pot or ant farms,” challenged accepted. Counselor Derleths’ paid for advertisement for legalizing pot had some good points yet falls short of bringing forth all the facts and/or unknowns. First, there is an assumption that current pot users will use pot in the same amounts and with the same behaviors when it is legal. This is a logical fallacy, known as arguing the status quo. The “a priori” issue is whether legalizing pot will increase usage and poor choices when under the influence of this drug. Second, before even looking at the criminal sanctions which I can agree are rather draconian, and perhaps require being revised, there has to be some discussion if Pandora’s box is opened of what will happen next? If we take a look at cigarettes/alcohol as barometers of social responsibility, or even fast food, clearly, at least Americans do not seem to have much restraint. Pot users have always had to look over their shoulder so their usage, unless very wealthy, is limited. Therefore, the statistics on how well behaved pot users are is rather skewed.

Moreover, pot increases the urge to sleep so with legalization and more use thereof, rest assured there will be more DUIs and accidents, not less. Of course, narcotics and alcohol are legal, and these substances are without a doubt dangerous when abused. With that said, that is the point. We know that individuals make poor choices and with more availability will most likely over indulge. Merely stating pot is less dangerous than booze is not really a intelligent rationale for legalization.

That type of argument is analogous to individuals who behave badly such as cheat on a loved one or spit on your floor then extending the right for you to do so. Hence his argument like many pro pot people goes, “Well cigarettes are bad and alcohol are bad, maybe worse but pot ‘only’ — key term — makes people sleepy/overeat( myths), then might as well make pot legal.” This simply is not a good enough argument to legalize this drug. I do not believe pot usage should have criminal sanctions, unless operating a vehicle, yet I have yet to be convinced legalizing pot would be anything other than opening up the floodgate for increasingly sleepy addicts.

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Suss
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Suss 02/04/14 - 10:09 am
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Stay home, stay small.

The turn a profit motive, collect taxes, do it for the kids, marijuana is best, rah, rah, rah. Simply put if pot is made totally legal to grow and possess wouldn't you think there might be more people growing and possessing pot than before it was legal? Just maybe? So if there is more pot in the community how is this supposed to keep minors from finding the pot that they already know how to find? I suggest that the more pot there is available the greater the likelihood that the underage pot seekers would find pot by any means they could come up with. Some of these kids are down right tricky, next they might find cigarettes or by golly some booze if we are not careful.

Just decriminalize pot offenses for small amounts. Make it a ticket, no jail, no hassle.

If everyone can grow their own pot I really do not see a massive need for State sanctioned stores. Personal use and subsistence type co-op trades will be blooming everywhere. How many categories of "best bud" could we have at the State Fair?

Along with all the home growers comes a whole group of fire, safety, security concerns.

Irwin Ravin had it right. Just leave him alone in his home.(even though he was busted in his car). So the message is stay small and stay home, there is no need to retail your way to big league problems.

http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/sourcefiles/IOM_Report.pdf

http://localproductco.com/master-strain-list/

http://psychology.wikia.com/wiki/Cannabis

http://greenparrotseeds.com/en/feminized-cannabis-seeds

http://forum.grasscity.com/stash-jar/451728-marijuana-strain-guide-every...

leewaytooo
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leewaytooo 02/05/14 - 02:58 am
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how many people were killed

how many people were killed as a result of "pot" last year?

how many were killed due to automobile crashes?

so if the writers attempt at logic is to be held as being true...

then anything in the world that has the potential to be

pejoratively damaging....

needs to be illegal....

yes, all the small people need to just stay home and

off the internet... it is dangerous to small minds.

Raoulduke
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Raoulduke 02/05/14 - 09:59 am
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Legal Pot

Well! This letter to the editor is full of supposition,and assumption.A short term increase in the number of individuals smoking will occur.This is caused by the fact it is legal,and the individual will have a try at something that was illegal.These folks will probably never use pot again.Yes! Pot does stimulate ones desire to eat.This is why it is being used on patients undergoing chemotherapy.Just one of the many medical uses.

BigRedDog
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BigRedDog 02/07/14 - 09:03 am
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Prohibition isn't working!

Rest assured of one thing, the author this article doesn't have a clue. Your spotting of with 1950 or 60's old school propaganda concerning something you know nothing about. The all time leading killer on the highways is BOOZE! It makes some users natural aggressive nature blossom. Then the lead foot gets them in trouble. And it kills just as many from medical complications as it does on the roads.
I think anyone in favor with the status-quo must be blind to the overall social-economic cost of prohibition. This is not a war on drugs, it's a war on society. The cost and effects are TO expensive on the social fabric of our community to allow them to continue. Do you really think we can continue to absorb the cost of prohibition, with the riches state per capita; having difficulty properly funding our schools? And you better the whole of society will continue to pay for each citizen imprisoned for long long after they are released.

beaverlooper
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beaverlooper 02/07/14 - 07:54 pm
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cell phones

I personally think that driving around with a cell phone strapped to your ear is far more dangerous than some one that has had a couple of hits of cannibals.
If you really want to know how pot affects the amount consumed look to Holland .Twice as many people per capita smoke the evil weed in the USA, where it is illegal, as do in Holland ,where it is legal.
Besides that if a person has less than 4 oz.(I believe it is) in their home ,according to state law,it is already legal so I doubt things will really change that much.

Raoulduke
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Raoulduke 02/07/14 - 09:37 pm
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llegal?

YES! Marijuana is ILLEGAL in the Netherlands,and it is also ILLEGAL in Alaska.It is the sanctity of the home that is being protected.Not your right to smoke pot in your home.

beaverlooper
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beaverlooper 02/13/14 - 12:33 pm
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wrong

I guess what I should Have said is that it is not prosecuted. The result is the same.

Suss
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Suss 02/08/14 - 05:29 pm
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Protected use and possession

The use and possession of small amounts(under four ounces) of marijuana in the home is still protected from prosecution under Ravin and Noy. The difficult and illegal part is getting the pot there or leaving home with pot. Decriminalize pot and make the public possession of small amounts an infraction citable by an e-ticket with only a fine, no jail. Court costs alone would be a great savings. Some day down the road pot in public might pass the legal test but I do not see this happening this year with this coming vote.

More reading for thought...
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2014/feb/20/marijuana-high-and-...

leewaytooo
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leewaytooo 02/08/14 - 05:48 am
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"Amsterdam's mayor, Eberhard

"Amsterdam's mayor, Eberhard van der Laan, recently announced that starting Jan. 1, 2014, cannabis shops located within 250 meters of any secondary schools must close their doors during school hours.
While the mayor's edict will only affect 31 shops, most residents see the move as being just the first step in the eventual closing of the city's popular tourist stops, and this is exactly what the central government has been trying to accomplish all along. But Amsterdam's mayor has said tourists are not being barred from most of the country's cannabis cafes. despite the law. Polls of The Netherlands' major cities seem to back this statement up.
As far as how well the "members only" cards are working out in the southern regions of the country, surveys have shown that drug-related crimes are on the rise, and in some cases, the crime rate has doubled. In many cities, local laws have been relaxed, allowing residents to buy their marijuana without having a membership card.

Read more: http://digitaljournal.com/article/363001#ixzz2sjnsl8ia""""

so the dis...miss..information given by the "sanctity"

is typical of those small trivial mediocre minds that want to

encroach upon your home.... they need to stay home with

their trivial thoughts and count the pages in their "book",

because they surely do not read for content..

repukes the party of lies, liars and hypocrites as well the

party of PORK .........and beans for everyone else

jlmh
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jlmh 02/14/14 - 04:00 pm
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I think the author is right

I think the author is right on. What a massive headache it has been just to get second-hand smoke under control. Imagine having to dodge marijuana smoke too, with the potentially mild-altering component tetrahydrocannabinol. I'd rather keep that burden on the marijuana users, to keep it to themselves. Once it's legal and there's no fear of prosecution, the stuff will be in all our faces just like tobacco smoke.

beaverlooper
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beaverlooper 02/14/14 - 05:05 pm
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law

So treat it like alcohol and cigarettes .It's not rocket science.If you don't like it vote against it.

jlmh
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jlmh 02/14/14 - 09:15 pm
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It's airborne like tobacco

It's airborne like tobacco and impairs judgment like alcohol. Two atrocious qualities wrapped up into one very bad idea. The war on drugs may not "work," per se, in terms of eradicating drug use. But it's sure kept it out of my face. I can't say the same for legal tobacco.

leewaytooo
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leewaytooo 02/15/14 - 02:52 am
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public drinking is generally

public drinking is generally illegal most everywhere...

try again.......

Steven Chamberlain
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Steven Chamberlain 02/15/14 - 12:48 pm
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Generally?

Public drinking is legal in every bar in the country. Try again....

beaverlooper
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beaverlooper 02/15/14 - 07:27 pm
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Legally public means "not

Legally public means "not private". Try again.
A bar is a PRIVATE establishment licensed by the state ,as is a liquor store and any of the animal clubs(Elks, Moose, Eagles etc), to sell alcohol.It is no more public than your pizza place. Seems like you'd be for it pot smokers eat a LOT of pizza, You should actually READ the ballot measure.("Sec. 17.38.040. Public consumption banned, penalty.
It is unlawful to consume marijuana in public. A person who violates this section is guilty of a violation punishable by a fine of up to $100." ).........Pot can be banned also by a municipality or borough under this ballot measure.
@jlmh Please ,do tell, where do you find tobacco smoke "in your face"? You might want to add why you are unable to avoid it.

BigRedDog
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BigRedDog 02/15/14 - 05:40 pm
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For every Two

For every 2 "dangerous Pot smokers" we keep locked up a year, we could pay for a teachers salary for a year! Where do you want to put your money is the question? I don't give a rats dariare about your FEELINGS towards legalization. Prohibition isn't working and is failing in a BIG way. Why all the big protest for Pot when 15% of the people that take their first shot of booze die alcoholics. One shot and the rest of their lives is spent struggling with it's affects for the rest of their lives!
Even long term habitual use of pot isn't a killer like booze! I think they should do away with parking lots at bars! That way when you arrive and start drinking you realize you need to have a way home or stay where you are. European countries often have rules for bars that unless you can provide a bed for the customer you can't sell them ANY BOOZE.

jlmh
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jlmh 02/15/14 - 10:52 pm
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Those "No Smoking $50 fine"

Those "No Smoking $50 fine" signs are a joke. Smokers ignore them. Smokers linger at entrances to stores, at parks, at children's playgrounds, on sidewalks, benches and walking trails. Basically anywhere outdoors where people hang out. You think pot smokers will behave differently?

BigRedDog
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BigRedDog 02/16/14 - 06:38 am
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Dah, is all I can say to that!

So fine em $50 and quit whining! Just how many times have you been hanging out, walking around and had somebody offensively blow pot smoke in your face? Try as I may I can't remember EVER seeing someone standing in front of Carrs blowing Pot smoke around! I'd even bet good money neither have YOU. So get over the piney whining stuff as this funky old law is costing to much to enforce. The penalties of the current laws are almost inquisitional they are SO biased and harmful to those charged.
I've worked on drilling rigs where after payday the next shift somebody would show up to drunk to work and get sent to the dog house to sleep it off. No harm no foul even if it is repeated time and time again. But find one roach in his ash tray and your a run off Son of a GUN! Somehow we stumble through most of these growing phases and end up people, solid citizens, hard working folks. But folks busted under the current laws never get a chance to pick themselves up by their bootlaces and dust their lives of and prosper. The penalties are SO sever they have very little chance of prospering in today's job market. And I think that to be unfair and to great a cost for society to bare, maybe those folks that signed the petition feel the same way.

Suss
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Suss 02/16/14 - 08:11 pm
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Legal with medical card

Even with the State's blessing, legal use will still not keep you from losing your job. Employers are testing for "Spice" and other "legal" drugs. You fail your drug test, you are fired. No matter how hard you tried to pass. A dirty UA will get you sent packing. Making pot legal does not make it safe in the workplace. It is sad that there are so few people that can pass this test and find a well paying position. I am in favor of decriminalizing, no jail, but there should be fines for public use. I have yet to see anyone cited for the $50.00 no smoking violation, so I don't think there would be much enforcement effort for pot scofflaws. It all comes down to choices. Pot sure can be a costly lifestyle decision. Good pay or good pot, you choose.

More info for Colorado going green.

http://america.aljazeera.com/features/2014/2/rocky-mountain-highcolorado...

beaverlooper
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beaverlooper 02/16/14 - 02:56 pm
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I didn't know "in my face"

I didn't know "in my face" meant the whole outdoors,my apologies.By all means vote against it and if passes go to the city or the borough and try to make it illegal,they can do that under the measure.I'm going to vote against it my self.
Suss is right about the job thing, (even though they don't test to see if you're impaired, just if you've smoked in the last few weeks) says so right in the ballot measure if anybody would bother to actually read it .I've never seen people smoke where it is posted and if you have ,report it to the store manager or the police.I think pot probably will be treated more like alcohol than cigarettes. If you think you work in a drug free workplace you are naive ,people cheat drug tests every day.
What really bothers me is when I moved here this was a "live and let live" state.It was a better place to live when there were more bars than churches,and I don't drink at all.We used to say "We don't give a damn how they do it outside". Now we ARE outside.
In my face ........right.

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