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12 Step Program for Washington

Posted: December 1, 2011 - 9:29am

Our friends at Occupy Wall Street are misguided at best. They seem to think that the problem with this country is corporate greed, so they text, tweet,or email on their corporation produced cell phone to assemble and protest in the park, street corner, or wherever they feel they can have the most impact. If they really wanted to have an

impact, they should take their drums, signs, and tents to Washington D.C. where this business climate was created.
It was in Washington where the tax code was crafted that allowed corporations like GE to pay no income tax. It was Washington that allowed banks to become too big to fail. It was Washington that encouraged the banks, Freddie and Fannie Mae to make home loans to people who couldn't afford them. And finally, it is Washington that has put this country in peril with their addiction to spending money we don't have. Will we ever recover from this addiction? I think it is time for an intervention. Insist that the White House and Congress take the following 12 step pledge:

1. We admitted that we were powerless over spending Other People's Money (OPM) and that our country has become unmanageable.

2. Came to believe that fiscal restraint could restore us to sanity.

3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to God and our constituents and to pass no law that does not equally apply to ourselves.

4. Made a searching and fearless inventory of the US Treasury, and have pegged our salary to our ability to keep our nation solvent.

5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and the US citizen, the exact nature of our wrongs.

6. Were entirely ready to have the people remove us from office.

7. Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.

8. Made a list of all people, businesses, industry, and institutions we have harmed and became willing to eliminate programs, regulations, and policy that no longer make fiscal sense.

9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.

10. Continued to take fiscal responsibility, and when we overspend, will immediately institute a balanced budget.

11. Sought through prayer and mediation on ways to improve our service to the US Citizen, praying for knowledge of their will for us and the power to carry that out.

12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to state and local governments and to practice these principles in all our affairs.

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mojo66
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mojo66 12/01/11 - 08:33 pm
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DC rally's are jokes

I have been at a couple rally's in DC, they don't get the media coverage like the OWS have got by spreading out, if they just gathered on capital hill you wouldn't be posting this opinion because you would't even know about it. but overall i think it worked because here you are commenting on it.

granny
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granny 12/01/11 - 08:35 pm
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Missing the point

OWS isn't against corporations per se, OWS is against undue influence. What comes out of Washington is big corporation bought legislation. A "level playing field" isn't about communism, it's about one person/one vote. Sure wish as many people had been worried about the national deficit the first six years of this century as they seem to be now. (never before has this country cut taxes and then gone to war(s)) M Schrag

Raoulduke
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Raoulduke 12/02/11 - 05:05 am
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Awakening

Apparently people praying hasn't done anything to change the situation.We find ourselves grasping at straws to believe that their is any politician.Who would in all honesty take the 12 step pledge.Remember they have already taken an oath of office,and apparently they have all perjured themselves.We must also remember the Constitution-Separation of church ,and state.The corporations have had their monies into the politicians pockets.Since before the war of 1812.The lobby monies have been in place far to long,and runs very deep.The only presidents,or politician's to trust.Are the ones who leave office without becoming FILTHY RICH,and the votes.Which have been bought,and paid by the LOBBY monies-LEGAL BRIBERY.This government is CORRUPT.It did not happen in just these past couple of years.Yes! We have ALL been duped by this SHAM.Remember! The politicians/crooks are making the laws to benefit them.

kenai_kid
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kenai_kid 12/02/11 - 10:10 am
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Lots of misguided fools

I will grant it that there are thousands of misguided fools in the OWS movement. However, at the same token, there are those who have relevance.

The movement isn't necessarily about economic equality, but getting the money out of our political system. For example, in the 2008 election cycle, the top fund raisers won their race 84% of the time. In the Presidential campaign, the winner out spent the loser 3:1. Who boosted these war chests? Corporations, unions, gigantic organizations and multi billionaires are financially not only de-leveling the political system. When the cash is spent and the most heavily funded candidate is in office, all of these "contributors" are going to want a payback for their "contribution" which in effect is not a political favor, but more of a extortion of sorts. These heavy contributors made an "investment" in the candidate and expect payback in the form of favorable legislation. The corporations get legislation favorable to them and the Unions and special interests likewise get legislation favorable to them. The only ones that end up getting the business as usual is the average voter.

The United States was founded on the idea of being a government of the people, by the people and for the people ... not of, by and for the massive corporations, special interests and giant organizations. I believe the largess of the OWS movement is to place the political system back in the hands of the people and remove it from the hands of big money.

We currently have a president that out spent his nearest competitor by by a margin of 2:1 and out spent the third place candidate by an astonishing 150:1 and the fourth place candidate 750:1. The majority (65%) of his campaign dollars came from labor and special interests, 35% came from grass roots contributors (that would be us).

I think everyone can agree, some form of campaign reform to return the political process to the people is needed and needed NOW!

Jerry
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Jerry 12/02/11 - 10:53 am
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Very Good comments all,

Very Good comments all, especially the return to God, OUR Old Hope to Believe in.
The main thing i see here with this Arab Occupy Wall Street Winter in America is that its ment to prepare for the Revolution or Civil War that i predicted Obama would lead America into.

Why did i say that this Chosen One, Obama, would cause the downfall of America?
First of all it was his promise of a New Hope & Change to Believe in which got him elected.

This new stuff is ment to replace OUR Old Hope & Faith of God, & his Son Yeshua/Jesus, which we Americans have almost already stopped Believing in anyhow.

The OBAMANATION OF DESOLATION must cause a Civil unrest like all the Arab Nations have so he can declare Martial Law & out goes OUR Constitution which keeps America from joining any OWO.
Obama is the Last Prez. we will vote for as a Free & United Nation.

As i have said a few times on my comments Obama is KIN to almost all past Presidents & Vice Presidents through the Samuel Hinckley of Cape Cod Family roots in 1662.
Obama's cousin Dick Cheney's wife Lynne wrote of all this in her book "Blue Skies, No Fences" in 2008, which revealed their Family Dream of a New One World Order.

No matter which Person of either Party one votes for they arte all Family & have the same Governmental control of All the World DREAM.

If we would just read & study Gods word, the Bible, we would see that all these things we see are right in accordance with Gods promised Future for the World.
Revelation 13; shows this OWO & its single Religion & single Ruler & everyone must be UNION members or else.

Praise God we live in Alaska as we will be able to survive for a while when all the carnage in the lower 48 starts.
We are in Trouble Deep with this New Hope & Change thingy which is ment to destroy America & almost has it done.

2012 will be the most prophetic yr of all & with it comes much trouble for the World, so get ready. John 14:6

kenai_kid
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kenai_kid 12/02/11 - 11:00 am
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@Raulduke

I don't believe Mr Smith was promoting a convergence of church and state. The United States was founded with several Christian values in mind. It's on our money, it's in our pledge. Only two US congressmen didn't swear an oath on a bible. One swore an oath Koran and another swore on his honor. I believe what he would like to see is a congress of honor with the principles of faithfulness and subservience to his/her constituents ... after all, we are a democratic republic, we "hire" them to work for us. I think any employer wants a moral, honest and faithful employee. At current, that just doesn't seem to be the case.

Raoulduke
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Raoulduke 12/03/11 - 06:27 am
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Values

Article XL of the Treaty of Tripoli was unanimously passed by our Congress in 1797.The article read-The United States is in no sense founded upon the Christian doctrine.A Historical fact.So! to assume such is incorrect.

spwright
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spwright 12/03/11 - 09:55 am
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Remember Ross Perot ? 12/3/11

Sat 12/3/11
Do You Remember ROSS PEROT the Millionaire that seriously attempted to get CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM to actually Happen here in the United States.

Well Our Very Own United States SUPREME COURT
has Ruled that financial donations to a political campaign are
Freedom of Speech issue & now Corporations can contribute any amount of $Money$ that they wish.
Sorry Kenai-Kid but your soap box issue Ain't Happening.

SPW "Airborne"

kenai_kid
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kenai_kid 12/03/11 - 10:01 am
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"When in the course of human

"When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws and Nature and Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind required that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.

We…appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name and Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States.

And for the support of this Declaration with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor. "

As of Aug. 2006, the United States Code contained 68 mentions of "God." 46 of these references were in shipping and environmental codes that discussed "acts of God."

http://undergod.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=82

Constitution references to God of the original 13 colonies (or parts there of).

Connecticut: "The People of Connecticut acknowledging with gratitude, the good providence of God..."

Delaware: "Through Divine goodness, all men have by nature the rights of worshiping and serving their Creator..."

Maryland: "We, the People of the State of Maryland, grateful to Almighty God..."

North Carolina: "We, the people of the State of North Carolina, grateful to Almighty God, the Sovereign Ruler of Nations..."

Massachusetts: "We, therefore, the people of Massachusetts, acknowledging, with grateful hearts, the goodness of the great Legislator of the universe, in affording us, in the course of His providence..."

New Hampshire: "Every individual has a natural and unalienable right to worship God according to the dictates of his own conscience..."

New Jersey: "We, the people of the State of New Jersey, grateful to Almighty God ..."

New York: "We The People of the State of New York, grateful to Almighty God for our Freedom..."

Pennsylvania: "WE, the people of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, and humbly invoking His guidance..."

Rhode Island: "We, the people of the State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, grateful to Almighty God for the civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy..."

South Carolina: "We, the people of the State of South Carolina, in Convention assembled, grateful to God for our liberties..."

West Virginia: "Since through Divine Providence we enjoy the blessings of civil, political and religious liberty, we, the people of West Virginia, in and through the provisions of this Constitution, reaffirm our faith in and constant reliance upon God..."

Virginia: "That religion or the duty which we owe to our Creator, and the manner of discharging it, can be directed only by reason and conviction, not by force or violence..."

The framers of the US Constitution came from these original 13 colonies. The Tripoli Treaty was a treaty as were the treaties with the plains Indians. Neither held a lot of water.

kenai_kid
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kenai_kid 12/03/11 - 10:43 am
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@SPW

I forgot ... A supreme court ruling has NEVER been over turned (sarcasm). The Supreme Court is not infallible. If it were, there would be several rulings limiting even further our right to bear arms, our ability to speak freely and print freely our opinions. That's why Wade v Roe is revisited from time to time. That's why state laws concerning the second amendment are heard over and over again in the court.
"Soap box issues" are handled by the United States Supreme Court on a regular basis.
But it is good to know that you support a corporations right to drive out political system.

kenai_kid
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kenai_kid 12/03/11 - 11:06 am
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History of campaign reform:

"Batted around by Congress since 1867, effective campaign finance law did not come about until 1971, with passage of the Federal Election Campaign Act

In his 1907 State of the Union address, President Theodore Roosevelt, observed that no laws existed to "hamper an unscrupulous man of unlimited means from buying his own way into office." In the century that has passed since Roosevelt's lament, politicians have, with varying degrees of success, tried to change that."

Jerry
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Jerry 12/03/11 - 09:49 pm
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All i can say is enjoy your

All i can say is enjoy your time thats left with this seperation of Church & State, i like others feel that 2012 is going to be a time of GR8 troubles World wide.

You know it was not just the Mayan's that looked to 2012 as the End of an Era of time, it was more than 89 differant cultures.
Even America's Indians are looking to 2012 for the return of the Ancient gods where these False gods wage their last ditch effort to rule/destroy mankind.

Funny thing is that in Revelation 12:12 it says "woe to earth & sea, because the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, knowing that his time is short."
I like the 12:12 which seems to be a clue to 12-21-12 where the gods come back, or not.

Then there is Revelation 13; which shows a One World Preacher promoting the One World Leader & his Union of One, all those that reject his Religion of ONE get their heads cut off as Revelation 20:4, sounds like that is a church & state ya can't escape.

Enjoy this time of seperation of Church & State while ya can, but i would pray that you know the Way, the Truth, and the Life. John 14:6

Time is short and God promised Israel in Hosea 6:1-2 that he would wound them for two days, & on the third day they would sit in his sight.
Israel was wounded for almost 2000 yrs & scattered world wide, & is now the ONLY nation in history to be destroyed & revived as a nation again after almost 2000 yrs.

2 Peter 3:8-9 says that 1 day is as 1000 yrs & that God is not slow about his judgements.

So if 1 day is 1000 yrs, Yeshua, Jesus has been gone 2 days & is about to establish Israel as his People, Land with Jerusalem as his Capitol city for the 3rd day of 1000 yrs,.

All this happens right after Armageddon where he takes care of all those One World Leader/Religion Worshippers that seek to destroy his People, Land & City, Jerusalem, Israel.

Raoulduke
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Raoulduke 12/04/11 - 08:39 am
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misinterpretation

I said the Christian Doctrine.You said God.I did appreciate your info.Thanks.This Country does have freedom of ALL religions without our government favoring any one religion.So! You must personally believe that only the Christian religion should be recognized,or is the only religion that has a god.Is this true Kenai Kid?

kenai_kid
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kenai_kid 12/04/11 - 11:32 am
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@Raulduke

Your point is taken. So what you are saying, however, is that the country was founded on religious doctrine, that being there is a supreme being ... a creator? This would be easy enough to explain to agnostic, but how about the poor athiest? Since the athiest has no religion at all, are we imposing "God," on him or her?

Raoulduke
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Raoulduke 12/04/11 - 01:00 pm
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Imposing

Answer to your question is yes. Someone who does not have a belief,or faith in a spirit being.Something that is not tangible.Seeing,feeling,hearing.That would have to take some convincing to get them to believe.I would not call an atheist poor.Unless they were poor.You say supreme being/creator.Could this entity be the Big Bang,and only the Big Bang?

kenai_kid
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kenai_kid 12/04/11 - 07:02 pm
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Creator

1) a person or thing that creates; originator
2) terms referring to the Judeo-Christian God
3) a person who grows or makes or invents things

So yes, you are correct, the creator could be the big bang and only the big bang. However, the big bang was not even a theory in 1789. And Deleware would be worshipping and serving the big bang??? ("the rights of worshiping and serving their Creator..."). Only three of the colonies constitutions do not reference God by name. One refers to him as "the great legislator (one that makes laws) of the universe." So, as a spiritual reference, only two of the 13 colonies do not infer "God" in their constitutions and reason would tell you that the other two were referring to a supreme being and not a theory that at that time, did not exist or at the very least was not publicly touted. I am not arguing right or wrong here, simply that much of the laws of the land were based on religious doctrine.
Raoulduke, thank you for the spirited and informed debate. Logical discussion in these forums is rare.

kenai_kid
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kenai_kid 12/06/11 - 06:43 am
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Raoulduke Christian Values? Maybe???

"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation , to select and prefer Christians for their rulers. "
-John Jay-
Signer of the Declaration of Independence and The US Constitution. Member of the First Continental Congress, President of the Continental Congress from 1778 - 1779. American Ambassador to Spain and France. Leader of the Federalist Party. 1st Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.

From: The Correspondence and Public Papers of John Jay,
Vol. IV, p. 365

Raoulduke
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Raoulduke 12/06/11 - 01:38 pm
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Maybe

Once again the personal opinion of another of our founding fathers was put to script.One must remember these are personal,and only personal beliefs of individuals.The Treaty of Tripoli was specific,and passed unanimously by Congress I can not find the word Christian in either the Declaration of Independence,or The Constitution.Referenced to a Creator numerous times but no specific Religion.The separation of Church,and State.I suppose.I would like to thank the Kenai Kid,and look forward to future discussions.

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