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Snowmachining across private property disrespectful

Posted: March 23, 2012 - 8:26am

I'm just curious as to when the joy of riding a snowmachine became more important than respecting the private property of local residents.
Once again, we have a example of the bad behavior of a few ruining the freedom for everyone.

Started out with only a few riding their snowmachines through my front yard and near the drainage ditch. That soon progressed to dozens riding through my front yard at all hours of the day and night and wee hours of the morning -- to within only 3 feet of my bedroom window, which obviously upsets me.

Now I am sincerely concerned these snowmachiners will run over my dog in my very own driveway. So when does a private property owner have the right to deny access to snow machines that trespass onto his property? I hate the thought of building a fence but I may not have any choice. Again the behavior of a few has created this problem. Yes, I understand that this is Alaska and there will always be snowmachines.

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Norseman
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Norseman 03/23/12 - 08:57 am
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Yes it is a problem. I ended

Yes it is a problem. I ended up having to put up a fence. It is a problem in the summer with 4 wheelers. A reckless and perhaps impaired, 4 wheeler careened off the trail and took out a 10' section of my fence. Cost another $100 to have it repaired.

Not all operators of recreational vehicles are disrespectfull. I have many moms and dads with kids in tow, go by slowly and respectfully. They are not the problem.

AKNATUREGUY
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AKNATUREGUY 03/23/12 - 11:59 am
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Problem is parents and lack of law enforcement

Yes, the disrespect of private property by snowmobilers and 4-wheelers is epidemic in this area. DOT and the Borough need to step up and make it illegal to drive on the roadway right of way. These vehicles destroy private property, as well as public taxpayer property (highway rights of way) with total disrespect; not to mention the obnoxious noise they cause.

Apparently, there is no parent supervision or discussion at home regarding the proper use of these vehicles.

Also, if you call law enforcement, you can forget any action by the Troopers or Soldotna PD!

radiokenai
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radiokenai 03/23/12 - 12:56 pm
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Good Heavens...here we go again....
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It is snow. It melts. Get over it.

I bet the author is the same knothead who complains that kids ride their dirtbikes in gravel pits.

If you don't like it, put up a barrier. Sitting there behind the keyboard whining about it only make you look like a kook.

justamom
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justamom 03/23/12 - 03:05 pm
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trees

Got any big trees that need cutting down? That should block them off your property. I've thought of doing that myself.

spwright
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spwright 03/24/12 - 08:49 am
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Orange Fence 3/24/12

Sat 3/24/12
Appearently I'm not the only one having this Problem.
Karen on KSRM Sound Off spoke of having a State Trooper
address this issue & inform Us of Our Rights & Responsibilites on this issue.
Once i tried parking a vehicle in my own driveway to slow down the Snow machine traffic on my own property.
The next day my house was spattered w/ bright Pink Paint Balls.

The most effective method seems to be the Bright Orange Safety Fencing. Several neighbors have installed that fencing & It Works. I will have to Do the Same next Fall 2013.
Yes that Orange Fence is Butt Ugly but What Choice Do I Have ? Motion Activated Cameras are next.

Thanks for Listening Retiree SPW "Airborne"

radiokenai
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radiokenai 03/25/12 - 08:08 am
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spwright...perhaps this will do the trick?
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Move to Anchorage, or California for that matter, where you can let Big Governments Ordinances and Regulations take total control of everyone's life.

Obviously, you are too much of a city boy to live on the wild Kenai Peninsula. I am willing to bet your Hot Pink Paintballs were a result of previous altercations that you are not sharing with the public?

Once again, lets all take a moment and think of those two pesky words "Common Sense". If memory serves, our Revolution and Independence was born on these simple little words.

Common Sense: Hmmm, lets dig into this. First, we are not a big city. Kids and Parents alike are going to go snow machining, motorcycling and ride their ATVs. They ride in the trail of least resistance. They ride in trails that others have rode before them. For good reason, the Troopers have stated that they don't have the time nor the resources to chase every recreational driver who crosses your sacred ground. The Majority would have to agree.

Confucius says: Better time will be spent forging your own path rather than trying to change mine...

radiokenai
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radiokenai 03/25/12 - 08:26 am
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WOW...
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To aknaturehugger:

For good reason, the troopers don't have time to babysit every time a wheeler travels across your little right of way

Question: Did you actually read what you typed? "DOT and the Borough need to step up and make it illegal to drive on the roadway right of way".

Haha..now that is about the most ridiculous comment I have heard since obama opened his flaps!

Gee, no more driving on roadway right of ways!

What a gem of an idea there Einstein! WOW!

Perhaps you should go hug a tree and leave the laws to people who are have passed the 5th Grade.

Have a super-duper day!

LHART11
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LHART11 03/25/12 - 08:56 pm
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Just enforce the law!

The situation is dire and pathetic. We have very clear laws that prohibit snowmobiles and 4-wheelers on public streets/roads, public right-of-ways used by pedestrians, and private property. For obvious reasons, as the article has shown. The problem is those laws are not being enforced.

Nowhere else in the world will you find the lawless, reckless, dangerous, and out-of-control situation with snowmobiles and 4-wheelers that we have on the Kenai Peninsula. Nowhere. We should be ashame.

These kids (some no more than 6 years old) are cut loose by the hundreds to terrorize the neighborhoods and subdivisions on 500-1000cc machines that go 100 mph. Their parents don't care...as long as they are out of the house...they let them take off the exhaust pipe to make them loud, and shred any walkable right of way, road, driveway, or ditch. If you don't get run over, you get swallowed by their mud holes, ruts, and trenches. I've seen them pass cars, jump cars, and hit cars, run over dogs, cats, Christmas lights/ornaments, and people's personal belongings. Many of them are running drugs. Accidents happen all the time, and if you talk to the CPGH hospital, they can tell you the gross number of injuries they see.

Where are these kids getting the free time and money to do this? Why do their parents make the rest of society deal with their monsters? I mean where do they think their kids are riding, and what do they think they are doing?

Look, I'm a snowmobiler and 4-wheeler person myself. But I teach my kids to ride responsibly, on the beach, and on designated trails. Last I checked anyone driving a motor vehicle driven on a public road/street needed a driver's license and INSURANCE. And the vehicle must have a license, registration, turn signals/lights, speedometer, etc. Not to mention follow the posted speed limits...25 mph on most streets/subdivision roads.

It's truly pathetic. Until many more die, until citizens take back their neighborhoods, until parents become more responsible, and until enforcement gets their head out of the sand, it is going to only get worse.

spwright
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spwright 03/26/12 - 02:35 pm
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A Simple Fence should Do ?

I didn't advocate injuring or hurting anyone !

Just Keep the Hell Off of My Property

LHART11 is obviously Up-Set & I can understand Why.

A Simple Fence should Solve this Problem then some motion activated Cameras to provide Law Enforcement w/ Proof.

SPW Echo Lake Road-Soldotna

JOAT
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JOAT 03/26/12 - 08:35 pm
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The property owner has every right

To the OP... as the property owner, you have every right to block all access to and across your property. I would encourage you to do so. It's funny to see the rash of comments about disrespectful kids and this being a parenting problem. Actually, it's a pretty simple thing... there's an established trail. Where there's a trail, they will use it. It's that simple. To keep 'em off your land, remove the trail.

I can assure the OP that none of these riders are giving so much as a thought about who's property it is or whether they are allowed access. All they see is a trail.

Put up some fence and post some "no tresspassing" signs. Note that Alaska law states that you must post a sign before you can actually prosecute someone for tresspass.

As to the orange snow fencing... I hate that ugly stuff and it is not very durable. Please consider building a real fence using real fence posts with either cross beams or wire fencing.

radiokenai
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radiokenai 03/28/12 - 11:13 am
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JOAT
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It is really that simple. You have stated facts that the other knotheads are too blind to see.

Thank you for having common sense...

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