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Officials’ oversight of hospital lacking

Posted: April 16, 2012 - 8:56am

Our hospital, a place of health and healing, suffers from a serious illness. 

Ironically, the very people elected or appointed to keep the hospital healthy have failed to honestly look at the injuries, hoping that by ignoring the symptoms the problems will disappear.   Most of us will remember that about the time of Ray Southwell’s wrongful termination, the Hospital Service Area Board unanimously called for a management/operational audit by a professional outside agency, but the examination was refused by the Mayor and the Assembly. To keep him quiet, Southwell was told to leave.  Not long ago, to prevent the call for another much-needed audit, the Assembly moved to float the idea that the SAB members be appointed by the Mayor. The Clarion’s Sunday Editorial and its below-the-fold article about Ray Southwell’s selfless effort to blow the whistle on harmful management practices show that the people want oversight and answers. Rather than searching for answers, we’re seeing an effort by hospital management, the Assembly, and the Mayor to remove or hinder objective, courageous, and non-political people who watch over our hospital.

Saying that SAB appointments by the Assembly and Mayor would save money and time is nothing more than a feeble excuse to gain public support and silence constructive criticism while further covering up the problems. Whether by appointing a select board or by firing a whistleblower, it is an effort to avoid real transparency. I for one look forward to the NLRB trial on May 15. Perhaps a judge can do what neither the former CEO, the Mayor, or the Assembly have refused to do: To declare that the hospital’s ills are self-induced by people we trusted to keep it well.

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Norseman
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Norseman 04/17/12 - 07:49 am
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As much media hype you and

As much media hype you and ray have been giving his firing from the hospital, you'd think you are trying this case in the media instead of the courts.
Never in the history of this community has anyone droned on and on and on and on because they got fired from a job.
To you two, EVERYTHING is a conspiracy, coverup, or some tyrannical evil unjustice.
Yelling loudest and longest doesn't make anyone right. It makes one overbearing and annoying.

Why ray was ever hired in the first place is what should be investigated. In this day and age, it is very easy to "vet" someone to see if their behavior and personality is a good fit. Apparently the hospital hiring staff made a poor decision.

I as a taxpayer am glad that my tax monies are no longer going to the salary of someone on the FBI monitoring list that they deem associated with domestic terrorists movements.

People in this state get fired every day and you don't see them wailing and whining in every forum, blog, and paper. Some fired legally, and some probably illegally. Those that feel they were unjustly fired take it to court. The big difference is that they do not wail and cry forever about it.

What is really at issue here is what comes next. It appears that the militia feeds on creating discontent, divisions, and contentious controversaries in the communities they reside in or near. All one has to do is look at the communities that are unfortunate enough to be the hosts for the militias.

There is always going to be agitation created by the militia. If it isn't this, it will be something else. This is what we in this community get to look forward too. Mouthpieces preaching, ranting and raving about every issue they can, to use to create divisions, dissensions, and discontent.

It is just amazing that we as a community were able to survive at all prior to the insurgence of the ex michigan militia. I bet michigan celebrates the day the ex michigan militia convoy left.

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RaySouthwell 04/17/12 - 08:50 am
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Norseman

The judge will not cause any change in the management style at CPH. It will occur only when the people demand it.
Perhaps you are correct, the majority of people do not care how individual employees and physicians are treated at CPH.

As for government, the Courts will not cause any change in the management style of the Country. It will occur only when the people demand it. Perhaps you are correct, the majority in our Democracy do not care how individual people are treated by our government.

See Mr Derleth’s paid comments in Mondays paper. He is constantly writing about evil in government.

See- http://www.clarionextras.com/ads/?ad=Eric-Derleth

You must really be angry about his constant exposure of evil.
Maybe you think his comments are OK because he is a lawyer and has the ability to pay for his comments.

The fact is, you do not care about people only the corporation.

Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 04/17/12 - 09:49 am
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Norseman very strange that

Norseman very strange that what you are accusing & condeming others of is the exact thing you do on every post which you express your FREE opinion on. No matter who it is you almost always disagree with them and start in on your own ranting, raving, divisions discontent and dissensions in regard to what others think or say, always.
So in reality you must also belong to a form of indoctrinating militia when one really understands your actions against others with your rules, ideas, which resemble the Obama Rules & ideas.
Obama's rules & ideas from DAY 1 have been to cause unrest and division amoung Americans and create a racial as well as economic divide from greed and the desire for govt. to supply all their needs.
The desire to silence or remove everyone that does not share this same Religious belief of hope and fundamental change that the chosen one promised he would bring about.
This greed and hate for those that are being demonized as unfair Americans because we do not bow down to the chosen ones rules, ideas, will become a boiling point leading to a civil war or revolution amoung Americans.
Why? So Obama can declare Martial Law allowing him to do away with OUR Constitution and Freedoms as a Soverign people Inslaving all of us this time.

So please explain to us just who is causing trouble, i have not seen any ranting, raving, dissension, discontent or divisions coming from any of Ray Southwells or Norm Olsons posts or letters. Do you have troubles at every work place or relationship with others that may be self thinking humans with Freedoms & whose opinions may differ from yours?
Why can't we all be sheeple of only ONE indoctrination?
Answer, the world is coming to that exact point real soon with either a join the union or die choice for ALL.

Have a GR8 day and thanks for your expression of your Freedom of speach which is another form of religious indoctrination according to your opinion and ideas, much like ours. What an asset you could be for Jesus if only you would.

Jeremiah 6:17

Norseman
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Norseman 04/17/12 - 09:50 am
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southwell

ray you are wrong again. I do care about people, my community, my state, and my nation.

That is why I will always defend them against terrorist movements, both foreign and domestic. Your group fits into the latter.

Relocating from michigan to our area thinking that in a few short years your militia would be "running" this place hasn't quite panned out has it.

You running for our state legislature and norm running for Lt Gov was the coup de gras.

Hopefully you have realized that Alaskans will not be duped by the militias propaganda.

Fairbanks had a bellyfull of the milita with your "respected friend" cox.

Alaska is full of patriots just like myself who abhor foreign and especially domestic terrorism and will fight it at every turn. We have seen the tragedy and suffering that domestic terrorism has caused our great country.

To use one of norms phrases,...our ranks number in the hundreds of thousands, locked and loaded, ready to defend our country against all enemies, both foreign and domestic.

You are on the wrong side and history will prove that to you. All you have to do is review the past 15 years of the militas history so far.

Stellar record ain't it.........

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leewaytooo 04/17/12 - 11:10 am
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want proof, read this.

"Former Michigan Militia leader Norm Olson (see March 25 - April 1, 1996) appears at the Freemen compound outside Jordan, Montana, currently surrounded by federal authorities (see March 25, 1996). Olson is wearing military fatigues and accompanied by two others, colleague Ray Southwell and attorney Scott Bowman. In recent days, Olson has issued a number of inflammatory statements, saying Jordan will be the site of a “second American revolution” led by Olson as “battlefield commander,” and promising “the loosing of the dogs of war.” He informs the FBI that he intends to breach its perimeter and go inside the compound, and issues a number of vague threats. “We will discuss either the terms of the FBI’s surrender,” he will later report that he tells the FBI, “or… the order of battle.” He also distributes fliers to agents which read, “FBI-ATF, are you ready to die because of the corruption within?” referring to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. Agents refuse to talk to Olson, and stop him several miles from the compound. The next day, Olson again attempts to enter the compound and is again foiled. He then begins shouting at the officers and the reporters who have followed him. It does not take long for Olson to become a figure of fun among the reporters and citizens of the area. He will spend a lot of time in a Jordan restaurant, and an agent dubs him and Southwell “Yogi Bear and Boo-Boo.” Olson tells one amused FBI agent, “You come up to Northern Michigan, mister, and I’ll see you in my crosshairs.” [Mark Pitcavage, 5/6/1996"

it's the psychotic and the parasite

Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 04/17/12 - 11:22 am
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So just who is it that is

So just who is it that is trying to sway the firing of Ray Southwell from CPGH for being a whistle blower against ABUSIVE management by injecting Rays private life which has nothing to do what so ever with his vocation?
All i see every time is that you Norseman are the one that keeps injecting his militia beliefs into his firing and the two are not interrelated what so ever.
What has Norm or Ray done as of late that is ment to totally destroy America by racial & economic divide that even comes close to OUR Prez?

I would be willing to say that if you Norseman would stop trying to influance the NLRB or others that private life and work are interrelated and people must be judged by them then the continual back and forth between you three would cease. Try it, you might like it. The two have nothing to do with each other period, now or never in any case, but it seems that to you they do so one would wonder just who is next in this control issue of those that differ from you and your opinion.
Make no mistake i use to be exactly like you in thinking my opinion is the only one and that i really cared about other Americans, people.
That is until i realized that i really could care less and only wanted my way in my own little power trip.
I still can revert back into that my way control attitude. Only when i step back and realize that everyone is differant and thats ok, everyone has their own agenda or indoctrination and thats ok.
I must try peacefully to persuade others to search out what they believe and understand compared to what i believe and understand without hate or threats against them for being differant than me.
When i realize that my sins are absolutely no differant than others and Jesus forgave me, then i can love them enough to try and aid them along lifes troubled road to what ever person seeks, which is security & a happyness & immortality.

Jeremiah 6:17

RaySouthwell
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RaySouthwell 04/17/12 - 12:00 pm
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Norseman

Throughout history minorities have attempted to hide their identity.

Jews and others changed their names to hide their identity. Blacks attempted to take the kink out of their hair to hide their identity.

I always admired the young Blacks of my era in the 60’s. The “Afro” was born. The black youth stood up for who they were. Grew their hair as big as possible. No longer hide who they were. “I am black and I am proud.”

According to this “financial adviser”

http://moneymorning.com/2012/04/11/investing-in-guns-stocks-boom-times-for-sturm-ruger-rgr-and-smith-wesson-swhc/

“gun sales are Booming.” He is encouraging people to invest in gun stock.

The militia is a minority growing larger. I understand, with clarity, the truth about the Second Amendment and why the founders codified an existing right. I am militia and I am proud.

The media and government always portrayed blacks in a negative light, when I was young. The media and government have done the same with the militia today.

The only question left, is whether the militia will become as proud of their historical truth, as black youth did concerning their history.

Minorities have changed history. Governments always want to crush the minority.

Are you a Patriot or a Nationalist? Do you understand the difference?

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RaySouthwell 04/17/12 - 12:07 pm
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Lewaytooo

Thanks for the history lesson.

FYI, If my memory serves me well, the Montana Militia did not allow another Waco in their State. The FBI and ATF can learn from history.

Signed
BOO-BOO

Norseman
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Norseman 04/17/12 - 02:04 pm
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boo boo

Comparing your militia movement to the civil rights era of the 60's? Gimme a break. I bet Blacks all over America would disagree with your assumptions. In fact, I'd bet they would be furious at you to be comparing your movement equal to theirs.

You are NOT some minority who is being persecuted. You wish to be portrayed that way.... but that dawg won't hunt.

I hate to break it to you ray but you ain't black, probably not a Jew, and this isn't 1776. According to the FBI, you belong to a domestic terrorist movement that poses a possible threat to our country.

By the way, how is Cox doing up in Fairbanks? He getting 3 hots and a cot?

FYI, if my memory serves me, the local montana ranchers are the one's who had a bellyfull of the militia and were helping the FBI.

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jimbob 04/17/12 - 04:16 pm
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Earth to Norseman

I dont think you realize how ignorant you sound in your constant and unending rants on various subjects. You launch your attacks and then change the subject. Mr. Olsen's opinion was about the operation of the hospital not about the militia movement. The word militia does not appear in the article. Can you comment on the article rather than ranting and personal attacks on these people? Your vitrolic cacaphony is wearisome and exposes you for the sad, small specimen that you are. Use your limited intellect to debate the subject at hand. It seems to me that a spirited debate does more good than forcing others to respond to your ignorant off subject personal attacks.

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normolson 04/17/12 - 04:32 pm
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One begins to wonder. . .

leewaytooo keeps saying, "the only thing timothy did wrong was to get caught." I'm beginning to wonder whose side this ignominious individual is on. In truth, the only one who ever said such a thing is leewaytooo, "The Phantom of The Offal"
Someone ask "please provide a credible citation."

Norseman calls himself a patriot ". . .Alaska is full of patriots just like myself. . ." he says, but frankly I wouldn't even give a nod to a nameless noise maker who won't stand by the words he utters. To me, it's noise from the faceless crowd...jeers from the nameless masses of the uninformed...crap-bombs thrown from the shadows. There's really not much there.
In a court of law, one would say that faceless, nameless people have "no standing." They are really just noise..

but a true patriot will dig, research, and find the truth. A true patriot will not be a parrot to the corrupted media or scam organizations such as the SPLC who thrive on fear and fund themselves solely by it. A true patriot will not allow someone else to speak for him/her, but will stand boldly and speak, right or wrong. A true patriot will not only take credit, but also the blame for what he/she says. A true patriot will not hide in the shadows constantly throwing crap at those who are not afraid to stand up and exercise their right to free speech. A true patriot isn't going to be silenced by ridicule or scorn. A true patriot isn't afraid to let the world look at his/her past, acknowledging that past mistakes are part of the human condition, but will declare that cowardice by way of anonimity is not human at all--it is the way of the coward.

One begins to wonder just what it is in the past of those who embrace their namelessness that they want to keep hidden.

Call it whatever, but never call it Patriotism.

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Allen 04/17/12 - 04:50 pm
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Attacks On Norseman Are Wrong

The attacks on Norseman by Ray Southwell and his fans jimbob and Watchman on the Wall are wrong. Norm Olson's letter was not just about the hospital but also about Ray Southwell: his "wrongful termination," "selfless effort to blow the whistle on harmful management practice" and "NLRB trial on May 15," to quote Norm Olson.

Norseman accurately points out that no one in the history of the central Kenai Peninsula has whined and complained in the local news media about being fired as much as Ray Southwell and his ally, Norm Olson. And Norseman accurately points out that Ray Southwell (and Norm Olson) are attemping to try Southwell's case in the media.

Norm Olson's letter makes a lot of accusations but doesn't back them up with facts. Just because Ray Southwell or Norm Olson says something doesn't mean it's true or it happened. Neither one of them has any credibility with me, and I know lots of other people in our community that feel the same way. I also believe that Ray Southwell is abusing the NLRB process, that should be used for serious union-busting activities, and not for firing a person who constantly attacks his employer in the local press.

Norseman
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Norseman 04/17/12 - 07:33 pm
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domestic extremists

Quote from norm olsen,......"but a true patriot will dig, research, and find the truth."

Thank you norm for recognizing me as the true Patriot here. I have dug, researched and found the truth about you, ray, and the militia. You are correct in that you have left a very easy trail to follow.

For starters, here is a tidbit from the FBI.

"This is part of the latest topic in our series to educate the nation on domestic terror threats that the FBI investigates today.

Who they are.

Like many domestic terrorism groups, militia extremists are anti-government. What sets them apart is that they’re often organized into paramilitary groups that follow a military-style rank hierarchy. They tend to stockpile illegal weapons and ammunition, trying illegally to get their hands on fully automatic firearms or attempting to convert weapons to fully automatic. They also try to buy or manufacture improvised explosive devices and typically engage in wilderness, survival, or other paramilitary training.

Who and what they target.

They usually go after the government itself—including law enforcement personnel, representatives of the courts, and other public officials, along with government buildings. When caught, most militia extremists are charged with weapons, explosives, and/or conspiracy violations.

What they believe in.

Many militia extremists view themselves as protecting the U.S. Constitution, other U.S. laws, or their own individual liberties. They believe that the Constitution grants citizens the power to take back the federal government by force or violence if they feel it’s necessary. They oppose gun control efforts and fear the widespread disarming of Americans by the federal government.

Militia extremists often subscribe to various conspiracy theories regarding government. One of their primary theories is that the United Nations—which they refer to as the New World Order, or NWO—has the right to use its military forces anywhere in the world (it doesn’t, of course). The extremists often train and prepare for what they foresee as an inevitable invasion of the U.S. by United Nations forces. Many militia extremists also wrongly believe that the federal government will relocate citizens to camps controlled by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, or force them to undergo vaccinations.

What is the FBI doing to combat the militia extremism threat?
In addition to our lawful use of sophisticated investigative techniques, we’ve expanded our work with other federal agencies such as the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives and with our state and local partners. And we use intelligence and analysis to help identify gaps in our knowledge, emerging tactics and trends, and effective investigative strategies.

As always, the combination of intelligence, coordinated law enforcement efforts, and an informed public is the most effective way to counter the threats posed by domestic extremists..."end of quote from FBI....

The FBI states "an informed public is the most effective way to counter threats posed by domestic extremists."

Many years ago I raised my right hand and promised to defend my country against all enemies, both foreign and domestic. I will do what I can in the war against terrorism.

I will continue to be a voice against the domestic extremists. My main hope is that we will not have to endure another tragedy like the Oklahoma City Bombing, or the Atlanta bombing, or the execution of law enforcement officers by militia.

RaySouthwell
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RaySouthwell 04/17/12 - 08:21 pm
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Norseman, Allen and Lewaytoo

I give up. You are correct.

The hospital management style is wonderful and our local government is watching over our hospital excellently.

Dr. Krull lied about being threatened.

Mace Manier Lied about winning his lawsuit after being fired from the Imaging department.

Misty Blue lied about sexual harassment

Patricia Trujillo lied about racial discrimination.

I have lied about Nurses Janice Villegas and Jane Frasier being rehired after wrongful firing.

I lied about the phone call from nurse Carol McAllister who was fired during her probation period and how distraught she was. (angry tears) I could not assist her, except be her friend and help her from doing something foolish.

The Imaging techs lied to me about the CEO calling them a “cesspool of garbage.”

I lied about the CEO telling me “I was hired to clean up the Imaging department.”

I lied about the imaging tech Craig Thomsen coming to me, wanting the Alaska Nurse Association to represent the techs in his department.

I lied about the unjust discipline of nurses Union President Janet Hilleary and the fear she had about losing her job.

I lied about the apology letter I have from VP of Human Resources for the wrongful discipline of nurse Teresa Ferguson.

I lied about the threat of firing of nurse Jeanette Pugh because she had the nerve to challenge the CEO.

I lied about Janet Nilles being threatened and disciplined by senior management because she dare to support the “non-professional” union.

I lied about ever helping others, it was only about me.

I could go on but what is the point-I am just a “nut job.”

With all I know and have seen, I question the circumstances surrounding the firing of Joseph Marchetti who specifically targeted the CEO, CFO and his managers when he returned to CPH with a gun.

So sad and people claim they care.

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leewaytooo 04/18/12 - 03:55 am
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too funny, 39 of 45 members

too funny,

39 of 45 members of the northern michigan militia refuse

to post their photos on their own web site.

they are anonymous....

just too funny

"the only thing that timothy did wrong was to get caught"
the psychotic

killers of children, women and men...
terrorists by no other name
all whiners

and anonymous, lmfao

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leewaytooo 04/18/12 - 04:11 am
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"Not surprisingly, leaders of

"Not surprisingly, leaders of the Michigan Militia have disagreed with federal officials about the identity of the bomber, and have offered a theory of their own. A week after the blast. Michigan Militia commander Norman Olson, along with his chief of staff, Ray Southwell, announced that they believed the Japanese had bombed the Oklahoma building. The motive: retaliation for the recent nerve gas attack on the Tokyo subways, which Olson and Southwell said was engineered by the American government."

the psychotic and the parasite at their incoherent best.

they say people never change, they just grow older, and die.

"the only thing that timothy did wrong was to get caught"

killers of children

Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 04/18/12 - 09:35 am
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Norseman did you get another

Norseman did you get another account and start talking to yourself as leewaytoo?
The reason i ask is that both post are almost identical in manner of wording and attacks on Ray & Norm me or others that differ from your ideal personal trates or opinions which seem to be yours only, while totally overlooking the Abuse at CPGH.
I wonder if by chance are you one of the Abusers at CPGH as you certainly seem to want to change the subject continually regarding the board at CPGH?
By your desire to have total control of all conversations and resort to verbal Abuse continually and even physical threats at times it does make one wonder what your gig really is here to change the direction of this NLRB investagation or are just like Abusing others?

Just wondering as it does seem that thou dost protest too much about Ray's private life which is off topic concerning his unfair labor charges at CPGH & the NLRB investagation.
I would venture to bet that if real names were required on this site that we would understand alot more of just who differant people work for and really who they are.

Have a GR8 Day.

Jeremiah 6:17

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unknown 04/18/12 - 11:55 am
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Fair Hearing

I believe Ray is intitled to a fair hearing. All things set aside Ray was a great RN. What ever happened in the past is the past. Lets not focus on the Negative infostructure in what happened at OKC Bombing. The Militia has got nothing to do with whats going on between Ray ,the NLRB and CPGH.Ray has my full support.

RaySouthwell
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RaySouthwell 04/19/12 - 10:05 am
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Conspiracy Theory

Allegdly this documentary was produced by Oliver Stone's son, Sean Stone. I have read he is a muslim.
HMMM.

Who knows the truth about this documentary
nevertheless here it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yeiw9Rjehxo

Some people research and think, others follow lockstep with the government controlled media.

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Norseman 04/19/12 - 11:43 am
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You are right ray, the

You are right ray, the militias are the only ones who research and think.

Let me list a few examples of the research and great thinking that a few militias have been up to.

November 1, 2011
Four members of an unnamed North Georgia militia are arrested in an alleged plot to bomb federal buildings, attack cities including Atlanta with deadly ricin, and murder law enforcement officials. The men – Frederick Thomas, 73, Samuel J. Crump, 68, Dan Roberts, 67, and Ray H. Adams, 65 – allegedly discussed dispersing ricin powder in a series of cities, "taking out" a list of officials to "make the country right again," and scouting buildings in Atlanta to bomb. Authorities say the plot was inspired by an online novel, Absolved, written by longtime Alabama militiaman Mike Vanderboegh.

March 10, 2011
Six members of the antigovernment Alaska Peacemakers Militia, including its leader Francis Schaeffer Cox, are arrested and charged with plotting to kill or kidnap state troopers and a Fairbanks judge. The group already has a large cache of weapons, including a .50-caliber machine gun and grenades and a grenade launcher. Cox earlier identified himself as a “sovereign citizen.”

Sept. 19, 2010
An antigovernment extremist with ties to the separatist Republic of Texas organization allegedly opens fire on an oil company worker and two sheriff’s deputies who show up at White’s property in West Odessa, Texas, to access an oil well to which the company has rights. Victor White, 55, allegedly wounds all three men before they retreat, and a 22-hour standoff follows. White eventually surrenders and is charged with three counts of attempted capital murder of a peace officer, one count of attempted capital murder, and aggravated assault.

Just a few of some recent examples of the mighty fine work being done by the militias......

This is why the FBI has listed domestic extremist groups and individuals as such a threat to our nation.

This is also why public taxpayer money should NEVER be used to pay someones wages that belongs to such a movement.

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Watchman on the Wall 04/19/12 - 06:14 pm
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If someone offers to teach

If someone offers to teach another blogger how to eat soup thru a straw if they show up at the Duck Inn for lunch because they disagree with you considered to be a Domestic terrorist norseman?
I have noticed that Joat has not been blogging ever since you made that offer to him or her, as i don't know the sex of Joat, but that did not stop you from making that threat now did it? So just who is a Domestic threat and exactly what are the criterior for being one?
If some one who is fighting Abusive people that threaten others and firing them if they don't get their way in this case with Ray and others by the hospital board considered a Domestic threat? No their not, no matter how one twists the story around and tries to add insignificant information about ones past or present private life in order to sway opinions.

Just wondering about who is who according to you as i can't see much differance when it comes to threats against others as a means of spreading terror or the militia or any one else that uses force to get their desired goals.

But back to this case of Ray and the CPGH board of power controlers that have no regard for any freedoms other than what they deem acceptable. Ray is right and they are wrong and so is everyone that sides with these power hungry controlers.

But have a GR8 Day, and thanks for the posts.

Jeremiah 6:17

RaySouthwell
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RaySouthwell 04/19/12 - 09:00 pm
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Norseman

So all black men are the same?

As a child I use to think that way. My grandmother was assaulted by two black man on two separate occasions. (by two different black men) I feared all black men until I grew up. Perhaps you should consider growing up.

Labor Laws protect people from employers looking at backgounds, except in criminal charges or convictions. That is the bottom line in my NLRB case. I know you don't care.

Say, you must be a great supporter of our president’s decision to unilaterally execute those he calls Domestic Terrorist. No trial needed.

I re-post the video from Sean Stone. You apparently did not watch it. Add it to your research list.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yeiw9Rjehxo

I can’t believe Stone talked about our president like that. He must be a domestic terrorist. First the FBI watch list then secret trials then who knows-prison or execution.

And you call yourself a Patriot. No a Nationalist-”my government right or wrong.”

Oh, you forgot some of your research of the Hutaree Militia from Michigan. After two years in jail the judge dismissed the charges. Perhaps that is why we have more of our citizens in jail than any other country in the world. Object to the government's behavior, lock-em up.

Here is the Detroit Free Press article about the dismissal.

http://www.freep.com/article/20120327/NEWS06/120327048/Judge-dismisses-critical-charges-in-Hutaree-case?odyssey=tab

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RaySouthwell 04/19/12 - 08:48 pm
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Watchman on the Wall

I appreciate your efforts of keeping on topic. Norseman has no interest of discussing anything relating to the original letter. He spends too much time watching TV and believing the medias presentation of the government truth. Just like my children, when they were young, believing Big Bird was real because they saw it on TV.

At least Lewaytoooo only likes to show how cleaver he is with words.

I still think you should run for office even if Norseman believes it was like me "telling children to run with scissors."

He just believes he is better than you and I.

There is always a Service Area Board seat open. At least according to the Borough Assembly.

Thanks for your honest dialog.

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Norseman 04/20/12 - 04:58 am
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Your background is what this

Your background is what this is all about. You claim employers have no right to look into a persons background is bs.
Employers ask for and check references. They also do background checks.
We are not talking about an employer checking into your sex habits, or whether you part your hair on the left or right.

Any public employer would definitely want to know if they are going to hire a domestic extremist on the FBI watch list.

IMO, our borough should have never hired a known domestic extremist period. The fact they did shows incompetence by someone in the HR.

You cowardly never acknowledge the research and facts I post exposing the true nature of the militia. Truth hurts?

Read this,

"Who and what they target.

They usually go after the government itself—including law enforcement personnel, representatives of the courts, and other public officials, along with government buildings. When caught, most militia extremists are charged with weapons, explosives, and/or conspiracy violations."

You are a fool if you think employers don't research a persons past prior to hiring them. In this day and age they have access to more information on a person than ever before.

Public Employers do not have to hire KKK, Militia, Skinheads, Aryan Nation, or Al Qaeda members.

What public employer would hire someone who is sue happy, anti-authority, anti-government, stockpiles weapons, is on the FBI watch list, belongs to a domestic extremist movement, and has long history of being a troublemaker?

Try to apply for a job at McDonalds with that background.

You are no patriot.

In law, treason is the crime that covers some of the more extreme acts against one's sovereign or nation. A person who commits treason is known in law as a traitor.

Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as "...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]." In many nations, it is also often considered treason to attempt or conspire to overthrow the government, even if no foreign country is aided or involved by such an endeavour.

As the saying goes, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, then it must be a duck.

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RaySouthwell 04/20/12 - 07:10 am
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Norseman

Thanks for bringing us back to CPH management style. What exactly is the issue with the suit against the hospital from the NLRB? It is about “concerted activities.” not about my politics.

The NLRB know and understand my Second Amendment stand and how management used it to harm my reputation. Same thing they threatened to do against Dr. Krull. Too bad their attorney did not warn them about how illegal it is.

Background checks are about convictions for crimes, not politics. My last one was for South Peninsula Hospital last summer. These checks are about crimes, not about you hating the Second Amendment and whether I am on the FBI watch list. (since 1994, I believe) What other of our Bill of Rights do you hate?

I am in the majority in the USA. I just read this article from the CATO Institute that claims 52% of Americans believe our government “has become so powerful that it poses a threat to the rights and freedoms of citizens.”
read it here-

http://www.cato.org/pubs/policy_report/pr-ja-db.html

It is from 1995, but you seem to like reading thoughts from history. Some people, see things coming before others do. I don’t think gun sales were as high in 95 as they are now.

To show your foolishness just take out the word militia and replace it with black, Jew or any other group that has been hated by government. Communist also come to mind.

You stated-
“What public employer would hire someone who is sue happy, anti-authority, anti-government, stockpiles weapons, is on the FBI watch list, belongs to a domestic extremist movement, and has long history of being a troublemaker?"

Are you talking about me or Sam Adams, Patrick Henry, George Washington, Martin Luther King Jr. or Mother Jones?

What you call facts are nothing but rumors repeated until it becomes fact in the uninformed public’s eye.

Oh, about treason- In our Republic, we are under Rule of Law. No individual, corporation or politician is above the law. The Constitution, with its limits on government, is the law of the land.

Lets talk about the treasonous activities of our President. Did you review Sean Stones documentary?

Now bring forth your documentation of my treasonous activities. Seems to me, if the FBI has been watching me since 1994, they would have convicted me by now, if they had any documentation.

No, you lap up the medias presentation, as supplied by the FBI, like a puppy lapping up a saucer of milk.

It is your thinking that brings in totalitarianism. Heil Hitler comes to mind.

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Norseman 04/20/12 - 08:41 am
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wow, you managed to get

wow, you managed to get hitler, jews, blacks, obama, communists, totalitarinism, martin luther king, and attorneys in that one post.
You must have canned topics that you just cut n paste to cover and retreat from being confronted about being militia.

ray let me get this through your thick skull one more time so you can quit being a liar.
I FULLY SUPPORT THE SECOND AMENDMENT. I SUPPORT THE CONSTITUITION.
There, you got it?
What I don't support is crackpots using it as a rallying cry to further their domestic extremist agendas.

Reaching back to some obscure article from 1995 has zero to do with the reality in 2012. You are so far in the minority that when the day comes that you and norm think you are gonna make "one last stand" and take over our government you are gonna realize that your imaginary friends are just that, figments of your imagination.

Time will prove how badly wrong you are. It is just a matter of time before another militia whackjob goes over the edge and kills some more innocent Americans.

Thankfully our men and women in law enforcement are the true patriots, who stand watch over those groups who wish to do our country harm.

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RaySouthwell 04/21/12 - 06:22 am
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Norseman

No canned topics, just logic. You see, there are two ways to sell an idea to people, logic or emotion. I use logic, you and the government use emotion.

I actually thought my reference to Mother Jones was the best- you know the government called her “the most dangerous women in America.” She probably was a card caring communist. According to your standards she should never find work.

I am glad you support he Second Amendment and the Constitution.

So. what do you think about our president executing US citizens without due process? Perhaps you believe in secret courts, just like Hitler’s Germany. He used a catchy name the “Peoples Court.” It was established outside the Constitution of Germany. Hmmm, sound familiar?

Now I must ask what you thoughts are about the Second Amendment. Are they in line with James Madison and Patrick Henry or are you one of those who feel the Constitution should be interpreted in the politics of the day? Just get the majority to agree with anything in our Democracy and the heck with the Constitution original thought.

What, you did not enjoy my 1995 article. Why the management at CPH and you love talking about those articles from the mid 90’s about me.

I am glad you acknowledged I was in the minority just like blacks, Jews, Muslims, Communists and women. Just goes to show how simple minded you are, only 21st century style of simple minded.

Our situation is about economics.
The Banks and government have kicked the issue down the road. The US Empire is ending.
The only question is what will follow-you want totalitarianism and I want a Constitutional Republic, Rule of Law.

We shall see.

RaySouthwell
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RaySouthwell 04/21/12 - 07:00 am
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Norseman

Here is an article written this month. Those anti-government, States Rights extremists are at it again, in Virginia. Those rebel State politicians, I mean those anti-government, anti-authority, domestic extremists. ( I wonder if they stockpile weapons?)

I wonder how many of these Senators and Representatives are on the FBI watch list. Probably all of them now.

I am sure you and the feds will research and find out how Virginia wants to go back to slavery.

See the article here
http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2012/04/18/new-law-virginia-will-not-cooperate-with-ndaa-detention/

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Norseman 04/21/12 - 08:55 pm
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Since the Oklahoma City

Since the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995, 32 law enforcement officers have been murdered by domestic radical-right extremists. Each death was a unique tragedy.

"When a sovereign feels particularly desperate, angry, battle-weary and cornered, his next government contact, no matter how minor, can be his final straw. The resulting rage can be lethal. In 1995 in Ohio, a sovereign named Michael Hill pulled a gun on an officer during a traffic stop. Hill was killed. In 1997, New Hampshire extremist Carl Drega shot dead two officers and two civilians, and wounded another three officers before being killed himself. In that same year in Idaho, when brothers Doug and Craig Broderick were pulled over for failing to signal, they killed one officer and wounded another before being killed themselves in a violent gun battle. In December 2003, members of the Bixby family, who lived outside of Abbeville, S.C., killed two law enforcement officers in a dispute over a small sliver of land next to their home. And in May 2010, Jerry and Joseph Kane, a father and son sovereign team, shot to death two West Memphis, Ark., police officers who had pulled them over in a routine traffic stop. Later that day, the Kanes were killed in a fierce shootout with police that wounded two other officers. "

The Southern Poverty Law Center identified 1274 anti-government “Patriot” groups that were active in 2011. Of these groups, 334 were militias, marked with an asterisk, and the remainder includes “common-law” courts, publishers, ministries and citizens’ groups.

Generally, Patriot groups define themselves as opposed to the “New World Order,” engage in groundless conspiracy theorizing, or advocate or adhere to extreme antigovernment doctrines. Listing here does not imply that the groups themselves advocate or engage in violence or other criminal activities, or are racist.

The list was compiled from field reports, Patriot publications, the Internet, law enforcement sources and news reports. Groups are identified by the city, county or region where they are located.
ALASKA (17)
Alarm & Muster: The Modern Day Alarm Riders
Statewide
Alaska Citizens Militia*
Nikiski
Alaskan Contingent Guard*
Glennallen
McCarthy
Valdez
Alaska Peacemakers Militia*
Fairbanks
Central Alaska Militia*
Delta Junction
Constitution Party (Alaskan Independence Party)
Soldotna
Get Out Of Our House (GOOOH)
Statewide
John Birch Society
Statewide
North Slope Militia*
Deadhorse
Oath Keepers
Statewide
The Republic for the united States of America
Statewide
The Republic for the united States of America — Republic Congress
Statewide
Second Amendment Task Force
Fairbanks
South Central Militia*
Wasilla
We the People
Homer

I wonder how many more of our brave men and women in law enforcement, and innocent civilans will die by the hands of domestic radical right extremists.

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Watchman on the Wall 04/21/12 - 09:50 pm
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I believe that there may have

I believe that there may have been criminal actions commited in this house that i rent. Any one know of govt. DRONES that i can trust to seek out & rid these past renters from society as i fear they may resort to the same actions as others which have been convicted of crimes state wide or even nation wide?
Some of them may have been nurces that stand against power hungry boses and we all know thats not right as well and they should be removed from society like other vermin.
HELP.
If any are wondering what the blank i'm ranting about with this junk about past renters i must say i don't know either as it has absolutely nothing to do with this article, Because nothing in the world is the same, one must be very careful about every aspect of life which can be used against you as they go about enjoying our freedom as a soverign people.

Jeremiah 6:17

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