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How far should 'improvement of health' go?

Posted: May 25, 2012 - 8:06am

Thanks be to Central Peninsula Hospital and CEO Rick Davis for establishing a no-fly zone to which area residents may flee for refuge and in order to escape the endless bombardment of tobacco fumes devastating the health of local citizens.

Now that CPH has taken this bold and courageous step in pursuit of its mission "to improve the health" of those they serve, their families, and those who work with CPH, we anxiously await further efforts toward that end. What bold initiatives lie ahead? A CPH campus totally free of high fructose corn syrup? A campus free of factory-farmed, feed-lot beef, pork, and chicken? Free of soft drinks? A cafeteria dedicated to the exclusive use of locally-grown and organic vegetables?

And in light of our nation's current epidemic of diabetes, might not CPH limit the caloric intake of overweight and obese staff members and patients? Ban the on-premises consumption of junk food like McDonalds, Arbys, Snicker bars, and the like? Mandatory exercise programs would do wonders for area health.

But the possibilities are endless, and CPH has broken the ice. Onward and upward ... brave, new world.

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Allen
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Allen 05/25/12 - 10:06 am
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John Nelson's letter is

John Nelson's letter is funny. He and others of his political persuasion are always lecturing us on our need to worship business and not question any business decision (like his angry letters about the Kahtnu surgery center). Yet here is a private business making a business decision and he is all up in arms over it. What a hypocrite.

Carver
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Carver 05/25/12 - 11:07 am
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Tacky, tacky, tacky . . .

Oh, Allen, you done missed the point. Nobody's griping about CPH's ability to make a business decision, it's the "nature" of the business decision that's so funny.

Golly, think of what Mr. Nelson is saying . . he's agreeing with the decision and encouraging CPH to carry the ball even further into improving our area's health. Think of it . . think of the obesity, diabetes, junk food, overweight . . all legitimate health issues just begging to be addressed by CPH's bold, new posture.

Read the letter again . . . slowly this time . . ;-)

Norseman
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Norseman 05/25/12 - 11:12 am
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I applaud CPGH for going

I applaud CPGH for going smoke free. It is medically proven that second hand smoke is harmfull.

I will not get lung cancer standing next to a diabetic, obese person, or someone eating a big Mac.

Smokers are a dying breed........

Carver
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Carver 05/25/12 - 11:24 am
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Smokers are a dying breed........

Absolutely! But so are diabetics and overweight people!

And junk food! The horror of it! Has anyone watched the DVD "Supersize Me"—about the guy who ate at McDonalds for a month and what it did to his health? And soda pop laced with high fructose corn syrup! Surely CPH doesn't sell soda pop, do they?

So many opportunities, so much work yet to be done. CPH has made a bold start . . onward and upward.

Carver
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Carver 05/25/12 - 03:26 pm
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"Scientific" evidence . . .

"It is medically proven that second hand smoke is harmful."
*************

And so is "Anthropogenic Global Warming."

Try typing "Second Hand Smoke Scam" into Google sometime . . ;-)

spwright
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spwright 05/26/12 - 06:12 am
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What is the Price ?

Carver, Sat 5/26/12
What is the Price for a pack of Smokes now days ?

now take that times 365 days per year that You Smoke
Then think about what this Habit is $Costing You$ in both your income & most important of all Your Health

Oh yeah now rant & rave about Your Freedom to Kill Yourself.
As the Tobacco Industry is laughing all the way to the bank.

SPW

Carver
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Carver 05/26/12 - 06:34 am
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The freedom to [over] indulge . . .

Thanks, sp, and, yes, it's bad. Think of the wasted money, gone up in smoke, the damage to one's health caused by cigarettes, and it's enough to make one want to cry.

Think too of the wasted money, down the drain so to speak, spent on Pepsis, Cokes, and other soft drinks, the money wasted on junk food and on industrial food, the ill effects on one's health caused by overindulgence, the costs to our nation's economy from diabetes, obesity, out-of-shape, overweight people. As you say, the Industrial Food Industry and Pharmaceuticals are laughing all the way to the bank as Americans enjoy the freedom to eat and drink themselves into ill health.

But take heart! As CPH has now outlawed tobacco smoke on their entire campus, might they not carry their crusade for improved health to new frontiers? Think of it . . a soda-pop-free campus! A sugar-free campus! Calorie-policing in the cafeteria!

Onward and upward . . .

spwright
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spwright 05/26/12 - 06:59 am
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Yep ! That's Next

I eat at the Hospital Food Court all of the time & Yes it's good food at a reasonable price. What proves that to be a Fact.
The majority of the Hospital Employees eat there also
& most important of all, The Food Court Employees & their Great Attitude & welcome smile.

I'll have to pay more attention & see If all of these sugar drinks are offered to the customers ? I don't know ?
Those were removed from our schools years ago.

& Yes that will be Next, more taxes & higher cost for any food that does not met Standards. That's just around the corner cuz it's a Hot Topic of discussion.

& No I'm not a Health Nut. I smoked most of my life & now I'm Paying Big Time for that Stupid Habit. Was spending
$422 per month for smokes, enough to Buy a New Car ! @
$6.00 per pack of smokes. Don't know What those Cost Now?

SPW

Carver
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Carver 05/26/12 - 09:52 am
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So much more to be done . . .

Was spending $422 per month for smokes, enough to Buy a New Car ! @ $6.00 per pack of smokes. Don't know What those Cost Now?
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And think of the lattes and mochas and espressos at what, $5 apiece? What, $25/$30 a week, fifteen hundred bucks a year! We Americans must enjoy wasting money, eating, drinking, and smoking ourselves into ill health.

But obesity, overweight, and diabetes are other big ones waiting to be addressed by CPH. Think how much overweight and obese folks add to the costs of American health care! Actually, in terms of costs, smokers are doing the national budget a favor by dying earlier. According to USAToday:

"A Dutch study published last year in the Public Library of Science Medicine journal said that health care costs for smokers were about $326,000 from age 20 on, compared to about $417,000 for thin and healthy people.

The reason: The thin, healthy people lived much longer."

According to another USAToday article:

"If Americans continue to pack on pounds, obesity will cost the USA about $344 billion in medical-related expenses by 2018, eating up about 21% of health-care spending, says the first analysis to estimate the future medical costs of excess weight."

Now that CPH has taken the bold step of addressing the bad habits of some citizens, it remains for CPH to now address the bad habits of even more citizens by condemning obesity, overeating, and bad dietary habits such as junk food, candy bars, soda pop, and much more.

CPH is to be commended for promoting good health, but there's so very much more that can be done. We await more condemnation from CPH of bad habits that result in poor health. Everybody's bad health habits are fair game now.

Norseman
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Norseman 05/26/12 - 11:11 am
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...."Everybody's bad health

...."Everybody's bad health habits are fair game now...."

You are missing one major point. That is when someones bad habit directly affects the health of those in their immediate area, that is the problem.

If people choose to eat an unhealthy diet, then it effects only them, not someone standing next to them. Huge difference when you try to compare policing all health aspects.

Bottom line is smoking is not a right in a public place. We have the right to expect to breath clean fresh air.

Carver
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Carver 05/26/12 - 12:12 pm
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If only that were true . . .

If people choose to eat an unhealthy diet, then it effects only them, . . .
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Bless your heart, Norseman, if only that were true. However, when people choose to eat an unhealthy diet, then it affects all of us. Think of it: increased health care costs, increased Workman's Comp costs, time lost from work, and so very much more. Think how much money CPH could save if they only employed trim, fit, and healthy workers. Why the thought makes one's heart flutter. As the USAToday article cited above noted, smokers actually cost society less than do overweight and obese people. Sad but true.

But you are right . . we do have the right to breathe, well, maybe not "clean" air when one considers exhaust fumes and the like, but air free of dirty, nasty tobacco smoke. I recall once getting out of my car in the CPH parking lot and actually smelling cigarette smoke in the air. Truly sickening . . almost turned my stomach and made me fear for my life . . I could get lung cancer, you know.

Thank heaven I no longer have to fear such experiences when visiting CPH . . what a blessing. Can't wait for CPH to broaden their policing of residents' health habits. I'm agreeing with you . . public health is everyone's business because we're all affected.

Onward and upward . . . brave new world . . ;-)

Carver
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Carver 05/28/12 - 01:17 pm
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Dumb and dumber . . . ?

Ran CPH's new campus-wide restrictions by a friend of mine. His reply:

". . . The irony of CPH banning smoking in a parking lot, wow! It's okay to leave a car running in the cold in the parking lot but you can't stand next to it and smoke a cigarette?? . . The utter hypocrisy and irony."

msjinxie
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msjinxie 05/31/12 - 04:38 am
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Really?

So they go smoke free and you complain? These forums have really degraded. Seems that this has just turned into one big stitch and B****. It wouldnt matter if they offered everyone free puppy on exit....you all would find fault in that too. Like i said in another post...Glass is half empty with some of you. Sorry, sick of negative nellys out there when a good thing is presented.

Carver
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Carver 05/31/12 - 05:55 am
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"So they go smoke free and

"So they go smoke free and you complain?"
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Heavens, no! Not me. I think it's wonderful and only await more bold action on the part of CPH in pursuit of improved health of area residents. CPH is on to something here.

According to today's news:

"New York City plans to enact a far-reaching ban on the sale of large sodas and other sugary drinks at restaurants, movie theaters and street carts, in the most ambitious effort yet by the Bloomberg administration to combat rising obesity."

A "smoke-free" peninsula? How about a sugar-free peninsula? Obesity is a far, far greater risk to health and imposes more costs on our health care system than does smoking. Which do we have more of? . . smokers or overweight and obese people? Why single out just one area of bad choice for restrictions when there is so much more that can be restricted for the sake of improved health?

CPH has just scratched the surface of what restrictions we might impose for the sake of better health.

Onward and upward . .

troutonsteroids
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troutonsteroids 06/03/12 - 04:52 pm
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CPH has gone the right direction

I am offended by the sarcasm of the letter...it seems the author will always have something negative to say about our local hospital. Even a good thing will never be seen as something as such in his eyes. He obviously has an axe to grind, regardless of the subject.

Regardless, as an employee of CPH, I fully support their decision and applaud it loudly. As a matter of fact, most of the employees were asking for a tobacco-free policy for a long while. It was extremely frustrating to walk through a cloud of smoke to get through the front doors while people smoked right outside the doors. In addition, they would extend their smoking to the lunch tables set outside for people to enjoy a nice meal. It was hardly "nice" when cigarette smoke was fuming up the area. Cigarette butts were thoughtlessly tossed on the ground around the area as well, creating litter and more chores for the housekeepers.

Tobacco-free hospitals are the new norm, and I am happy that this is the trend.

Carver
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Carver 06/04/12 - 03:38 am
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Me too!

"I fully support their decision and applaud it loudly."
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Me too! Cigarette smoke has no place in the hospital or anywhere near the entrance. Like you say, it stinks. Now the parking lot might be a bridge too far.

But why stop with restricting tobacco when obesity is a much bigger problem? CPH has demonstrated a laudable willingness to impose restrictions in pursuit of good health. A tobacco-free hospital is a step in the right direction . . how about a sugar-free hospital? A high fructose corn syrup-free hospital? Dietary restrictions on overweight and obese employees and patients?

Sugar is the new tobacco! Diabetes is the new lung cancer! Time to move on, time for more restrictions in the pursuit of good health.

Onward and upward . . .

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