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There’s a reason for the 2nd Amendment

Posted: May 29, 2012 - 8:15am

Many of you keep weapons and have planned your response if a crack-high zombie goon, a murderous bear, or a thief threatens. Your threat to retaliate, having the means to do so provides safety, at least from those who are smart enough to know you will shoot. Even radio ads here in Alaska warn that homeowners are armed. The threat alone keeps the bad guys at bay.

But why are some people wrong to be just as afraid of agents from a government who they perceive are coming for them, their property or their children? "That's irrational fear," you say, but consider America in the 1770s when guns and the threat of using them stood alone against the tyrannical Crown government; and, when on April 19, 1775, a demonstration of that determination was witnessed for all the world to see and ponder. In different times and places in history, the gun symbolized the unspoken understanding that "if you aggress against me, you will die." For that very reason, the Gadsden Flag is emblazoned with a rattle snake rather than a lamb.

We can debate what a genuine threat might be, but does it matter? Shall we say there is no need to fear, regardless of the nature of the threat? Or, shall we just hope that someone else will stop the goons, bears, thieves, mad dogs, or even agents of a tyrannical government bent on destroying our life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness? Shall we try to negotiate with a marauding bear or a mad dog? I reckon not!

It appears that the central government would have us disarmed if they could, thinking it would promote its continuing consolidation of power. Barring that, the central government doesn't want us talking about defending ourselves against it. The Founding Fathers did more than talk. They declared that natural law requires free people bear arms to defend themselves and to organize themselves, logically to make the necessary plans to do so. If the Founders had no concern the federal government could grow tyrannical there would have been no reason to make the 2nd Amendment imperative. You may say that the central government cannot stop you from planning or thinking how to defend yourself against it, but they need not do that. All that is necessary is to convince you that their agents are no threat at all and that they are really there to help you.

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kksalm
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kksalm 06/07/12 - 11:03 pm
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Another thing. About "I ain't buying it...." ?

Seriously? You ain't?
Well maybe someone here cares. It's possible.
I'm working on controlling my destructive emotions, I should just shut up I guess.
Peace, out

Carver
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Carver 06/08/12 - 05:44 am
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Same ol', same ol' . . .

"I seriously doubt Carver read what Norm has expressed here . ."
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I scanned enough of it to see that it's just more tired rant . . once you've read one of the Commander's diatribes, you've read them all . . same ol' stuff over and over again. To sum up: Government is evil; Federal tyrants; Civil unrest; Founding Fathers; Second Amendment; Guns, guns, and more guns. Fear, fear, and more fear.

The Commander and the militia are living contradictions of all they say they fear. If the Commander served 20 years in the military as he says, then he's likely drawing a monthly check from the Federal government. His freedom to spew nasty accusations about Federal tyranny is protected by the Federal tyrant's guarantee of free speech. The militia's freedom to stockpile arms and ammunition, to dress up like soldiers and play at military maneuvers is guaranteed by the Federal tyrant's guarantee of freedom of assembly. The very existence of the militia mentality and the militia movement itself contradicts everything they say they fear.

There's nothing wrong with disaster preparedness . . Alaskans would be foolish to do otherwise and have been preparing for such eventualities long before the Commander moved up from Michigan. The medical community and more have organized response teams in place should the need arise as we all know it probably will some day, especially as we recall the great 'quake of '64.

But such efforts on the part of normal people are nothing more than a recognition of the facts of life, a far different thing from breathing out fire and brimstone rants against the government, preaching fear, fear, and more fear, not paying taxes, and stockpiling weapons.

I'l prepare for what might happen, but I ain't buying the Commander's product—fear—as part of my preparedness.

Raoulduke
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Raoulduke 06/08/12 - 06:23 am
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keep to self

I wish the self proclaimed religious would find a different reason for the turmoil.It is the fact the religious right has been voting the same people in office to run things.They believe.Unfortunately When a politician sells them the story of how they believe.They cast their vote without question in their direction.Doesn't matter if the voter has done their homework on the candidate.They just have to have their political party affiliation.Now! See what this state has done for you.They have taken you to the cleaners.OH!Yes!Please some of you religious spewers.Read the Treaty of Tripoli.Our Congress Yes! Our congress voted unanimously that the United States is NOT a christian country. This is our countries historical fact.Besides if I wanted to read a sermon.I would be a believer,and attend a church for same.

RaySouthwell
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RaySouthwell 06/08/12 - 08:10 am
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Raoulduke

I am talking about persons. The government recognizes corporations as a person with more rights than you and I.Would you explain to me why I must pay more Federal Income Taxes than they pay. Did you watch Senator Sanders video presentation?

It seems to me many people will rally against an individual standing up to government but turn a blind eye to the big corporations and government who are destroying our economic vitality.

I wish I could believe as you that our military are protecting our freedoms. They are protecting our corporate interests around the world. Nothing new according to WWI most decorated veteran General Smedley Butler.

Carver
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Carver 06/08/12 - 08:36 am
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Haters of authority?

"The government recognizes corporations as a person . . "
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The duly and legally constituted government of the United States of America that recognizes a corporation as a person is the same government that recognizes the legal rights of free speech and assembly of those persons who disagree with the government, engage in hate speech toward the government, who arm themselves against the government, and who refuse to pay taxes legally imposed by the government.

RaySouthwell
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RaySouthwell 06/08/12 - 08:40 am
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Alyosha and carver

Why did the founders codify the existing right of firearm ownership and its use in self preservation (Second Amendment), if government was so wonderful?

Do you believe man has evolved to a higher social level?

RaySouthwell
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RaySouthwell 06/08/12 - 08:43 am
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Carver

You stated- “The militia movement mentality tries to capitalize on normal, everyday concerns, on social unrest, and on political disagreement with cheap, sound-bite sloganeering. The militia-movement mentality creates more dissent than they're worth . . as is witnessed by this thread of commentary. That they take themselves seriously is astounding . . no one else does . . :-)"

Your world is seen through rose colored glasses.

My fear with the militia is our unwillingness to be open for the public eye. We fear the discriminatory behavior of the masses and most do not trust each other.

Never in the history of humanity has a population been better armed as the American population. The “Unorganized Militia” is not well-regulated and therefore I fear a French Revolution.
It has been our attempt to have them well-regulated. Has not happened.

Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 06/08/12 - 09:07 am
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Void of religion or malitia troubles are coming

Lets talk about reality for a bit without militia/military or religion want too?
If the everyday person would look at or see what is going on Globally with those that seek to control everything & everyone in their efforts to make us ALL equally dependant on Govt. they could see that it is all resulting in Global revolts in the middle east as well as all of europe and is even spreading across america. Their, that is the One World Order advocates are pushing at every level of societies against the rich, poor, city or rural, they are pushing against the smart aswell as the ignorant in their desire to make us all EQUAL. It's called Class Warfare and it's designed to cause Civil unrest or Revolts inorder for the Controlers to step in at any point with their restricted laws against any Freedoms the people may have enjoyed. Free press is gone, free speach is gone, illegal search's of mail or personal affects are gathered against everyone. Everything you say or do will be used against you and you will be classified as combatants against the state/govt.
They must first control economics, which has been done as everything related to commerce is now electronically controled & no one can do anything with out having some form of number or credit/debit cards. Even those with good credit can face restrictions. The stock market which is taking every single penny from the middle class is rigged & controled to do exactly that, steal every penny we have & force everyone into a sigle class against the rich.
Nations are being sanctioned for their lack of desire to submit to the Global economy as well as being driven into economic debt of osterity with the demands of continueing in the Global economy.
The second thing that they must control is the food of the world and that's also at a point of completion any day now.
Monsanto corp has waged war against OUR farmers & it is illegal to grow any crops that are Natural, everything that is planted must now be a Genetically modified organism or it's a $million$ dollar fine for the first offence and total distruction of Farmers livelyhood if they refuse.
We see that the NDAA is in full swing now with the ability to turn on electronic devises belonging to individuals and monitor everymove or conversation that we as FREE people should not have to worry about, as well as use every word or action we do against us.
The last step in removal of OUR Soverign rights afforded us under OUR Constitution given us by God & our forefathers who tried to warn us of what would come if we fell asleep & allowed these Global leaders access to our Money & Freedoms. OUR Forefathers warned us that we as Freemen would wake up as slaves in our own homes/land to foriegn bankers if we failed to govern ourselves correctly & allowed both Foriegn & DOMESTIC attacks against our Constitutional Freedoms.
Have any of you really stopped and listened to the words of the Chosen One, OUR President, when he says that we can't wait, we must act now to Fundamentally Change America for a New Hope to Believe in? Do any of you understand what the words Fundamental Change to Believe in really mean?
They mean to stop going in the direction we have been and reverse our course and we must do it as a New hope to Believe in, that sounds like a religion to me and it's ment to divide people into class warfare and if you don't agree with the New Hope & Change then your an enemy and need to be delt with for the good of all.
A New One World Order is coming again and it will make Hitler look like a Cub Scout compared to the evil intentions that they will force on everyone leading to far more than the 56+ million people killed in WWII, this next war will kill almost everyone & everything before it's over, 2/3rds of all life i do believe.
All one has to do is view History to see that these things are true and repeat and as 89+ differant ancient societies have warned us about and that 2012 could be the year that the next purging could start before the new Era, Age of time begins, there is always the distruction by fire before the New can start to grow.
People should be able to smell the sulfur & smoke of whats coming if they only would look & listen to what is happening all around them. Even the simplist minded like me can see & understand that the wat things are going Globally can't continue and that a major crash is coming as well as another World War.
It's eveyones free choice for now to decide who to listen to or reject, but please remember that you usually only get one chance or vote of who to follow and then what?
Everyday we get closer to the appointed time for that OWO and it's single State religion and there will be no escaping it's death grip on everyday life and removal of all freedoms or soverign rights under God. We wanted God removed from OUR Nation & lives, well get ready that wish is coming and at a rapid pace. Sometimes we get what we wish for in our desire for new hopes & fundamental changes to believe in.
Many will try & prevent others from understanding whats happening and the warnings from people that can see it clearly as is the case here with this article, so who ya gonna listen to or believe? It's either nutjobs that are warning you or nutjobs that are trying to keep you in the dark, your choice of which NUTJOBS to listen too.

Carver
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Carver 06/08/12 - 08:53 am
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Read my lips . . . :-)

". . Carver, why did the founders . . ."
"Carver, you stated . . ."
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If you want to debate these issues, Ray, you know where to find me . . still waiting.

RaySouthwell
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RaySouthwell 06/08/12 - 09:05 am
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Carver

A Right is like a muscle. If it is not used it will atrophy and become ineffective.

The First and Second Amendments have not been exercised in the USA for a long time.

Years ago those expressing their concerns were called extreme left and Communists. It worked well, people feared being on the “communist list” The Labor laws, on the books today, were the result of the few who stood back then.

Today, speech is torn down with being called extreme right. Now when individuals attempt to develop the strength of speech or militia, it is torn down by ad hominem attacks.

RaySouthwell
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RaySouthwell 06/08/12 - 09:19 am
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Carver-other "haters of authority"

Who is the final authority in our government. The people in government or the people who created government?

Government changes when a small group of people demand change. Red Neck Wars, Matewan Massacre, Bonus Army, Mother Jones, Haymarket massacre and the Ludlow massacre. There are others but I can’t remember them all right now.

Government's behavior changed in the past because of these Left wing extremist stood there ground. They were called anti-government, Communists, extremists and haters of authority. Where is the left now?

Carver
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Carver 06/08/12 - 09:44 am
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Read my lips . . . :-)

"Carver, A Right is . . . "
"Carver, Who is the . . . "
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If you want to debate or discuss these sorts of issues, you know where to find me. Still waiting.

Besides, your questions are more rhetorical than not . . just an excuse for another diatribe against government and just an excuse to peddle your gospel of fear and guns.

Boring . . :-(

Raoulduke
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Raoulduke 06/08/12 - 12:10 pm
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Corporate People

Corporations are people.The REPUBLICAN appointees to the Supreme Court ruled in favor of big business.Was it not?Just because corporations pay taxes.The Alaskan ex-gov.Palin publicly stated that Corporations should be considered people.Because they do pay taxes.Just like us.Hell! I remember.I paid more taxes than Richard Nixon,and I was in the military at the time.I did not whine about having to pay more Than the president of the USA.I just did my duty as a citizen,and paid the taxes.

Raoulduke
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Raoulduke 06/08/12 - 12:30 pm
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Don't like it?

To coin a phrase from the 1960's.Love it ,or leave it.You can not have your cake,and eat it also.Taxes,and death You can not escape them.REMEMBER?

normolson
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normolson 06/08/12 - 02:32 pm
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There's a reason for the blogging

Watchman, you are correct. The Scriptures have much to say about the wrath of God against the wicked. It has much to say also about what comprises a righteous government (2 Sam 23:3) When compared to Romans 13 (which many claim gives the government authority over everyone) it can be easily seen that a government that rejects the "divine mandate" of 2 Sam 23:3, no longer holds divine authority.
So, let's ask the question, "Does our central government rule in justly and in the fear of God?" The answer is obvious. Therefore, when a government annuls it's divine authority by turning away from it's divine mandate, it loses it's place. From that point on, the government will become tyrannical and vicious, especially in shaking its fist against God's laws and design. Consider abortion and homosexuality. There can be no question that these are abominations before God, according to His Word. Yet, this central government defies God's created design by endorsing these sins and even protecting them. These are but two areas where the central government has disobeyed God. It should be clear that this central government does not fear God's judgment (which seems to be pouring out upon our land).
Yes, God's word speaks volumes about God's wrath and need to be humble before Him. But people scorn and mock and laugh at those who do speak up for God and a righteous government. Sadly, there is no one in our central goverment who speaks for God! However, there are many prophets walking the land today. I am one and so are you, Watchman. Although we do not fortell the future apart from what God's Word already says, WE DO FORTHTELL what God is doing and will do, according to His word.
Also, Scriptures speak to us loudly about those who scorn, mock, and laugh at those who forthtell the truth.

Fear mongering? No. As I said many times, the militia does not generate fear (except in the hearts of the weak and timid). Rather it is the result of frightened people who are (according to numerous polls) afraid of their own government.

Google or Bing: people fear government fear of government poll you'll find that in such an environment, militias WILL emerge. Frightened people WILL come together.

And to my critics, I would ask them where THEY would send a frightened person who has been abused by the very government established to promote and protect life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? What would you say to them?
You are surrounded by people who fear their government...just how do you deal with these people?

With all the evidence of American's fear of government, and the way that my critics and critics of the militia scorn and mock, I would wonder WHO REALLY ARE THE ONES LIVING IN ANOTHER REALITY?

normolson
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normolson 06/08/12 - 02:43 pm
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Don't Leave

KKSalm, Don't leave the blog... Share your point of view... You'll feel better by talking about the things that trouble you. I have a feeling there are many other "lurkers" who read the blog, but also may feel unable to contribute.

Be assured, however, that the blog isn't a poll. A poll "votes" on an issue. On this blog, one can readily see who are the mockers and scorners and doubters. It's easy to see who resorts to ad hominem namecalling and mudslinging. I need not point them out.

But remember also, neither this blog, or any poll that may be taken does not change reality... It only measures perceived reality at a certain point in time. For example, according to the biggest pollsters, from 54 to 64 percent of Americans polled are frightened by their government. As the central government extends its abuse and the people see military armored vehicles moving through city streets, driven by black-clad and masked agents, the number will change. As more and more people are victimized by big government and the gulf grows between the people and their representatives in Congress, the number will grow.

But the militia isn't causing a change in the numbers! People are far more frightened by their own government than by a bunch of camo-clad patriots.

Stick with us KKsalm.

Carver
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Carver 06/08/12 - 03:01 pm
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Fear and violence . . scary stuff . . .

". . when a government annuls it's divine authority . . it loses it's place. From that point on, the government will become tyrannical. . the militia . . is the result of frightened people who are . . afraid of their own government. . . "
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". . Shake the gun in the tyrant's face . . Be ready always to unleash extreme violence against tyranny." —Commander, Alaska Citizens Militia

Pretty scary stuff . . .

normolson
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normolson 06/08/12 - 02:58 pm
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Huh?

Carver clicked: "The Commander and the militia are living contradictions of all they say they fear. If the Commander served 20 years in the military as he says, then he's likely drawing a monthly check from the Federal government. His freedom to spew nasty accusations about Federal tyranny is protected by the Federal tyrant's guarantee of free speech. The militia's freedom to stockpile arms and ammunition, to dress up like soldiers and play at military maneuvers is guaranteed by the Federal tyrant's guarantee of freedom of assembly. The very existence of the militia mentality and the militia movement itself contradicts everything they say they fear."
Does anyone else see the glaring fundamental flaw in the statement? The Bill of Rights is not granted by the central government! Freedom's enumerated in the Bill of Rights are not guaranteed by the federal government. The federal government has nothing to do with the Bill of Rights. These rights are NATURAL RIGHTS, GOD GIVEN, EXISTING BEFORE THERE WAS A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. It was necessary to list them so that the central government would not violate them. The 2nd Amendment is a natural right.
So, if the Bill of Rights is thought to be a gift from government, one can easily fault someone who speaks out against it. Read my essay again...the government is the AGENT and WE THE PEOPLE are the principle. The servant is not greater than his master. When the servant misbehaves, it is the master who corrects it. We the people are the parent of this government... it has misbehaved over and over, violating the Constitution mean to reign it back... The federal government is the child, we are the parents... It needs a good spanking to make it behave!

Carver
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Carver 06/08/12 - 03:05 pm
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More scary stuff . . .

"The federal government . needs a good spanking to make it behave!"
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"Be ready always to unleash extreme violence against tyranny." —Commander, Alaska Citizens Militia

Pretty scary . . .

normolson
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normolson 06/08/12 - 03:16 pm
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Huh 2.0 ?

Carver keyed: "The duly and legally constituted government of the United States of America that recognizes a corporation as a person is the same government that recognizes the legal rights of free speech and assembly of those persons who disagree with the government, engage in hate speech toward the government, who arm themselves against the government, and who refuse to pay taxes legally imposed by the government."

Do you see the flaw? Look at this: ". . .the same government that recognizes the legal rights of free speech and assembly of those persons who disagree with the government. . ."

The central government doesn't recognize natural, god-given rights. History has shown that government RESTRICT and FORBID speech, assembly, bearing arms, etc. The only reason the central government doesn't abolish the Bill of Rights is that the 2nd Amendment stands as written.

But the central government HAS declared war on the Bill of Rights by abolishing free speech, assembly, and the right to bear arms.

The people see this taking place and recognize that the big government is threatening... People are becoming afraid of their government... That fear manifests itself in the emergence of the militia...

The militia doesn't promote fear, it doesn't have to! People come because they are frightened.

Speak to that!

Carver
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Carver 06/08/12 - 04:39 pm
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This stuff is not funny . . .

". . the central government HAS declared war on the Bill of Rights by abolishing free speech, assembly, and the right to bear arms."
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"Be ready always to unleash extreme violence against tyranny." —Commander, Alaska Citizens Militia

Scarier and scarier . . . to the point where one must question the Clarion's wisdom in printing such material. At what point then does the militia mentality actually "unleash extreme violence" against such imagined "tyranny"?

normolson
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normolson 06/08/12 - 04:52 pm
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Fear of Government?

Those that make the argument that it is “dangerous” to stir the people up to fear their government, which may lead to violence, only goes to show their ignorance of our history and founding.

Our founders were skeptical and inherently suspicious of centralized power. The creation of the federal government only barely made it past the state ratification process. Along the way to ratification, several additions to the constitution, including the addition of the Bill of Rights was imperative because of the absolute distrust of a central “authority”.
Contributors to this blog seem to ignore this fact.

The state’s and founders had to not only build the argument for ratification, but also build a barrier to protect the states from an over reaching central authority by including the Tenth Amendment, “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people”, otherwise the federal government would have never become a reality. Reminder: The Constitution is not a document that provides people with rights, but rather severely restricts the power of the central government.

This mistrust and fear of a central authority permeated the country and was the foundation of the greatest form of government ever derived by men. Regarding government; they knew less was more and more was a threat to all. The government that governs best governs least.

As we watch pundits make the arguments that some types of speech against the government can “enflame” violence toward the government, I ask you; what does the first amendment say; “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

The founders and our ancestors that agreed to ratify the constitution knew what was bound to happen by empowering a central government. So they included what they considered clear restrictions on the authority of the federal government because they did not trust any central authority. You bloggers who seem to grant the state unlimited power will have difficulty admitting this truth!

Today we find ourselves right where our founders predicted, but fortunately their fear, foresight, and protections are clearly documented in the constitution.

Listen closely bloggers, politicians, and those who worship the state talk about “types” of speech. The type of speech they are targeting to control either through "fear of a chilling effect" or outright legislation is the speech we are engaging in against our government and its policies.

Millions are assembling peaceably through tea parties and voter blocs, trying to redress their grievances. Is fear of the federal government unfounded? Were our founders radicals? Would our founders consider the tea party movement, or the constitutional unorganized militia dangerous or unpatriotic?

The Founders were brilliant and prophetic about the rights they knew must be etched in stone because they were God given, and would one day come under assault from tyrannical forces. Those tyrannical forces are among us. It is easy to see their efforts at work. More and more limitations on our natural god-given rights are revealed each day.

So, why are the majority of Americans frightened of their own government?

The militia does not cause fear (except to the weak and timid who do not accept history), but rather is the response to fear of the very things the Founders predicted would come.

normolson
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normolson 06/08/12 - 05:06 pm
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Huh 3.0?

Carver rattled the keyboard with: "Scarier and scarier . . . to the point where one must question the Clarion's wisdom in printing such material. At what point then does the militia mentality actually "unleash extreme violence" against such imagined "tyranny"?"

The militia, if it is trained, educated, and equipped, has already pondered what it would do "if." The whole Cox trial is based on the premise that it is wrong to plan a strategic defense if attacked. The militia that Ray and I have attempted to build never discussed First Strike. Only defense.
Our point of view proceeded from an understanding of why the 2nd Amendment was added as the "last line of defense against tyranny."

It is clear that many of these bloggers refuse to look at man's highest need: that of self-preservation. (but that's another thread.)

As far as the Clarion goes, you won't get them to shut down this blog thread. I've talked with the folks at the Clarion about a man named John Zenger (look it up) and the war waged against the free press by Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao, and a host of others who led oppressive central governments.

I believe this thread is the longest ever seen at the Peninsula Clarion. The notion that bloggers here would want it shut down because of the exercise of free speech that is offensive to a few should be a sobering reminder that there are people here who would gladly deny freedom of speech.

Good luck with that!

Carver
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Carver 06/08/12 - 05:33 pm
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Sedition?

" Listen closely . . those who worship the state . . The type of speech they are targeting to control either through "fear of a chilling effect" or outright legislation is the speech we are engaging in against our government and its policies. . . Is fear of the federal government unfounded? . . tyrannical forces are among us. . .More and more limitations on our natural god-given rights are revealed each day . . The militia . . is the response to . . the very things the Founders predicted would come."
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Scares me . . . .

Raoulduke
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Raoulduke 06/08/12 - 05:37 pm
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Second request

Please keep your religion to oneself.I understand it is suppose to be a personal thing.The first form of Bill of Rights was the MAGNA CARTA.Did any one spewing religious quotes.Do a search on the Treaty of Tripoli?Would our factual history disturb your blurred vision? Maybe it would clear your vision.

Carver
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Carver 06/08/12 - 05:39 pm
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What if . . . ?

"The militia . . has already pondered what it would do 'if.' The whole Cox trial is based on the premise that it is wrong to plan a strategic defense if attacked. The militia that Ray and I have attempted to build never discussed First Strike. Only defense."
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"To quote Scripture, 'If possible live at peace with all men.' to that I add, '. . .and if not, load with the largest caliber you can.'" —Commander, Alaska Citizens Militia

Raoulduke
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Raoulduke 06/08/12 - 05:49 pm
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man's highest need?

No! Recalling early school science.The First LAW of life is self-preservation.Followed by multiplication of our species.Please no more soap box preaching.It gets old fast.Oh! Yes! The tenth Amendment does read,and I quote DECLARES THAT POWERS NOT DELEGATED TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BELONG TO THE STATES,OR TO THE PEOPLE .This is the correct wording from the BILL of RIGHTS.There need not be any additional words added to suit ones own soap box.

Raoulduke
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Raoulduke 06/08/12 - 06:05 pm
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reasoning

There is a very warped sense of interpretation by some of the Bill of Rights.The first ten amendments to the Constitution MEAN exactly what is written.There can be no misinterpretation,or additional wording to this document.

Raoulduke
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Raoulduke 06/08/12 - 06:34 pm
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government restrictions

Is it not the reason We had a revolutionary war.No free speech,right to assemble,and bear arms.Our government upholds these rights.They do not restrict them.If that were the case many of us on this blog would be in jail as I type.So! There are some who unhappy BOO HOO.You can not please all the people all the time.That is why the act of compromise was invented.Something the Republican's,and Tea Party forgot.

Norseman
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Norseman 06/08/12 - 10:03 pm
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FBI describes militias

Here is what the FBI has to say about militias.

Who they are. Like many domestic terrorism groups, militia extremists are anti-government. What sets them apart is that they’re often organized into paramilitary groups that follow a military-style rank hierarchy. They tend to stockpile illegal weapons and ammunition, trying illegally to get their hands on fully automatic firearms or attempting to convert weapons to fully automatic. They also try to buy or manufacture improvised explosive devices and typically engage in wilderness, survival, or other paramilitary training.

Who and what they target. They usually go after the government itself—including law enforcement personnel, representatives of the courts, and other public officials, along with government buildings. When caught, most militia extremists are charged with weapons, explosives, and/or conspiracy violations.

What they believe in. Many militia extremists view themselves as protecting the U.S. Constitution, other U.S. laws, or their own individual liberties. They believe that the Constitution grants citizens the power to take back the federal government by force or violence if they feel it’s necessary. They oppose gun control efforts and fear the widespread disarming of Americans by the federal government.

Militia extremists often subscribe to various conspiracy theories regarding government. One of their primary theories is that the United Nations—which they refer to as the New World Order, or NWO—has the right to use its military forces anywhere in the world (it doesn’t, of course). The extremists often train and prepare for what they foresee as an inevitable invasion of the U.S. by United Nations forces. Many militia extremists also wrongly believe that the federal government will relocate citizens to camps controlled by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, or force them to undergo vaccinations.

One important note: simply espousing anti-government rhetoric is not against the law. However, seeking to advance that ideology through force or violence is illegal, and that’s when the FBI and law enforcement become involved.

What is the FBI doing to combat the militia extremism threat? In addition to our lawful use of sophisticated investigative techniques, we’ve expanded our work with other federal agencies such as the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives and with our state and local partners. And we use intelligence and analysis to help identify gaps in our knowledge, emerging tactics and trends, and effective investigative strategies.

As always, the combination of intelligence, coordinated law enforcement efforts, and an informed public is the most effective way to counter the threats posed by domestic extremists.

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