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Public should know Fast and Furious details

Posted: June 25, 2012 - 8:47am

"There has been a tendency on the part of this administration to try to hide behind Executive privilege every time there is something a little shaky taking place. And I think the administration would be best served by coming clean on this; there doesn't seem to be any national security issues involved with the U.S. Attorney question. There doesn't seem to be any justification for not offering up some clear plausible rationale for why these U.S. Attorneys were targeted by all assessments they were doing an outstanding job. I think that the American People deserve to know what was going on there." -- CNN interview in 2007 with Senator Barack Hussein Obama

The Fast and Furious operation, now under the direction and control of President Obama and Eric Holder makes them fully and completely responsible. Even if someone else started it, you continued it, and it went bad under your administration. Now they have invoked presidentil executive privilege to hide behind. Is there something a little shady taking place? What did the President know, and when did he know it? Exactly who, in his administration, authorized this gun running operation?

There are national security interests involved as well as the death of a Border Patrol Officer. The "party of the people" as they call themselves. Really? As Lars Larson said, it's Watergate with a body count.

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luvak52
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luvak52 06/27/12 - 04:34 pm
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F&F is FALSE!!

Ms. Burch:

I have no idea where you get your information although I can guess, but you are so wrong in so many ways. First of all, F&F is NO longer in operation. AG Holder put an end to it. Secondly, this type of program was started under W...see "Operation Wide Receiver." Yes, it is tragic that the border agent was murdered and some of these guns were found at the scene, but to use a quote from NRA, "guns don't kill people, people kill people."
This so-called "investigation" by Issa is nothing more than a witch hunt with one goal; embarrass the president. It is SO obvious a blind person can see it. Issa says this a conspiracy by President Obama and Eric Holder to ramp up gun violence over the border in Mexico so Americans would demand stricter gun laws with an aim to end the 2nd Amendment. HUH??? It is also what Wayne LaPierre, NRA president, is spreading all over Fox News. Lies, lies and more lies.
The best came out today with a six month investigation by Fortune Magazine. Bottom line, the way F&F has been described by Issa and his cronies are all lies. Even Issa said he did NOT believe the president was hiding anything, but he talks out of both sides of his mouth.
The title of the Fortune article is "Truth About Fast and Furious Scandal"

leewaytooo
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leewaytooo 06/27/12 - 05:55 pm
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repukes lies, liars and hypocrites

current arizona law does not limit the amount of guns
a person can purchase.
one of the guns for ten grand was purchased by a guy
receiving food stamps.
proving that some one was buying guns for someone
else is difficult to prove. wire taps were slow in being
approved by arizona justice officials.
one person spent 350 grand on long rifiles.

if you don't give the atf laws that truly matter then what
you get is what you got. people making a profit of buying
guns and then "selling" them to the bad guys.

none of the guns were ever in the atf's possesion.
the atf never gave anyone any guns, they were all
purchased by individuals then "sold" to someone else.
the atf task force in arizona was ham strung from the
beginning by current laws, and the unwillingness of state
officials to do anything about it.
now the repukes want their cake and to eat it....
such f'n liars, they are the true terrorist in this country.

they couldn't tell the truth if it were written for them to read.
because they would just lie lie lie, disgusting.

and yes, it is class warfare, and the self proclaimed type"A"
mean to win..... actually they are really type "AH" as in
... holes. i would not do any business with any
repuke. they are that disgusting....

robert white
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robert white 06/27/12 - 08:47 pm
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f&f

This is simply a black man covering a black man, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know Obama is a raciest!! Tomorrow he will get his ego clipped!!!

freedomlibertytruth
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freedomlibertytruth 07/11/12 - 01:56 pm
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Conspiracy with a huge body count is accurate, 300 murdered.

These facts have been verified in three ways. ATF whistleblower agents stated under oath that the allegations mentioned above were indeed true. Documents provided to the House Oversight Committee by the Justice Department, the Phoenix Field Division of the ATF, and the U.S. Attorney's Office in Arizona have also confirmed the allegations. And finally, the Mexican government itself has registered numerous complaints with the Obama Administration about the Fast and Furious operation and its dire consequences for at least 300 Mexican citizens who were murdered with the guns the Administration sent across the border to drug cartels.
No murders resulted from the Wide Receiver operation during the Bush Administration. The guns were recovered. But in the Fast and Furious scandal not only were 300 Mexicans killed but two federal agents working for the U.S. government were murdered with Fast and Furious guns.

**********Protect U.S. borders with Bean Bags? ************

“Elite” squads of US Federal agents were issued less-than-lethal Bean Bags to use against AK-47s in the hands of heavily armed drug cartels. More disgraceful details about Fast and Furious are revealed.

Monday the House Oversight Committee released long-sealed indictments about the murder of U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry. In the mountains of Arizona the US agents were forced to use bean bags to shoot at criminals who had real weapons. The ATF and the Justice Department KNEW the murderers had guns, because they had PROVIDED many of the AK-47s. They are degrading our Border officers into neutered nursery school cops to fight in something the Feds call a War.

freedomlibertytruth
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freedomlibertytruth 06/28/12 - 02:26 pm
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Must Progressive use Obscenities and insults?

Is it a requirement for liberal progressives to write their opinions with verbal hostility and insulting labels and OBSCENE words.

‘Rage’ causes the normal functioning logical mind to cease to receive input and process information, it hinders intelligence. Lenin fully applied the tactics of hostility and rage through his ‘useful idiots’ in progressing his country into full Communism. The useful idiots must have been totally surprised when the Communists then proceeded to disarm the population, and then murdered tens millions of them. Useful idiots that will scream his talking points and attack the opposition, will turn and attack him eventually. Smarter to eliminate them with extreme prejudice.

The Fast and furious program, approved by Obama/Holder was stopped ONLY when a concerned American Citizen told his Representative of the travesty. It was Bureau of A.T.F Officers that brought this to the attention of the Feds. President Obama is correct when he states that a President who is using Executive Priviledge is doing it to protect his personal involvement in suspect activities.

So yes, Robert White, a black man is covering for a black man who illegally sold guns to brown men.

It also quite amusing to admit to gleaning your knowledge of the activities of the Federal government ATF, Homeland Security, and Justice Department by reading "FORTUNE" magazine. It's a bi-weekly magazine and home of the Fortune 500. Business, investment, career, management and small business information. You'd do better to learn about guns by reading "Soldier of Fortune" magazine.

freedomlibertytruth
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freedomlibertytruth 07/03/12 - 06:37 pm
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what will the right wing TEA Partiers chant?

Holder lied
people died
Fast and Furious

Suss
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Suss 07/03/12 - 10:47 pm
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UnPaid Freeplings

It is the season of the Freeper trolls. They will vanish after the election or hit the Ignore user. Someone created some jobs, or Bain outsourced them to a third world country. Watch for the silly out of touch and uninformed about Alaska postings by these posers.

freedomlibertytruth
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freedomlibertytruth 07/01/12 - 12:29 pm
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Good News: the Presidential 2012 elections does matter to some.

Once again, is it possible for any committed left wing progressive to present an opinion without insults, name calling, derogatory references? Not for the Alaska ones, it appears. ‘FReepers.’ Amusing insider label. Unfortunately most regular folks won’t understand the reference, and won’t care. But is the human condition to wish to gather in clans, especially close knit ‘secret squirrel’ ones and speak in their own made-up slang. Please put on the ignore button, as it is not a hardcore progressive that may benefit from civil discourse.

A free nation succeeds when the actions of the government are made public, with rare exception. Not spilling the beans on the D-day invasion is an example. It is a free press that should be doing the job of peeling back the layers of deception in government. All politicians are professional bull sh_ters, both sides of the political arena commit wrongful acts; they also both have varying degrees of success and ugly destructive failures. It is the job of the investigative independent journalist to dig out the facts, and report them clearly and concisely. The cards will fall where they must, and should not be shuffled or hidden up the sleeves of the news organization. The cover up by CNN of the Iraqi atrocities by Saddam Hussein is an example of a refusal to inform the country. How long did that go on? Too long, why, because the main stream media craves and protects their elitist power and their payoffs while abandoning the American public.

Government agencies and their employees should all be held accountable Republican, Democrat, and Independent.

It is a huge compliment to be considered a paid outsider, and not a Kenai Peninsula Resident. As you infer that Peninsula residents are illiterate knuckle dragging droolers who must submit to your superior intellect. You could not have said anything that could have been higher praise. Libertarians seem to hold this deeply divided country together.

bob99507
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bob99507 07/01/12 - 09:33 am
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leewaytoo

For you to say something as stupid as you would not do business with a repuke shows how full of _____ (you fill in the blank) you are

leewaytooo
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leewaytooo 07/01/12 - 12:25 pm
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repukes lies, liars and hypocrites

it is a fundamental choice/freedom to do business with
whomever one wishes to do so.

if you or anyone wishes to put money into the pockets
of repukes then that is their choice.

i detest liars and hypocrites, and there fore will
never do business with repukes for lying is their
primary means of operating.

if repukes want less/no government , then lets just
return to the middle ages and whomever has the biggest
gang rules the land.

no cops, no firemen, no emt's, no nothing.
everyone walking around with their guns on their hips
and over their shoulders.
death and mayhem and buyer beware is what you
get without regulations.
for repukes across the board are greedy, killers,
and the decent folks are the ones that pay for the
repukes way of no regulations...

full of???? just what would the repukes do if
no one did business with them. cry for a federal bail out?

repukes the party of lies, liars, and hypocrites.

freedomlibertytruth
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freedomlibertytruth 07/01/12 - 12:56 pm
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stay on topic, illegal gun running operation by government.

Once again, obfuscation, name calling, distraction from the true topic.

There are some good solid gun laws on the books. That are supported by all parties.

The current administration did not follow the laws that you support, they shunned them.

They did not enforce the laws that you support, they abandoned them.

They made up their own non-transparent program, they did not follow the rules.

They were lawless, they went Wild West, they returned to the middle ages and acted like they were the ‘biggest gang’ that ruled the land. Mayhem and death ensued.

The Republican (Democrat/Independent?) gun shop owners (decent folks) were fully and completely following the regulations and went way beyond their legal duties when they reported the suspicious activities to the ATF. The Federal regulators and The Federal Justice Department were the gang that actually used lying as their primary means of operating.

Stay on topic, not everyone will be distracted by insults.
There are a lot of gun owners and enthusiasts in Alaska that prefer their second amendment rights be upheld. They will keep a sharp eye on all subversive attemps to steal the guns out of their hands.

leewaytooo
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leewaytooo 07/02/12 - 03:02 am
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read

http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2012/06/27/fast-and-furious-truth/

if you repukes can find the time.... that is when you are
not out their screwing up the world, try reading
the above at the link provided.

repukes the party of lies, liars and hypocrites.

freedomlibertytruth
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freedomlibertytruth 07/02/12 - 12:59 pm
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Fortune magazine investigative government watchdog? funny !

It is still quite amusing that you admit to accumulating your knowledge of the activities of the Federal government ATF, Homeland Security, Arizona state government, and Justice Department by reading "FORTUNE" magazine.

Fortune magazine is a bi-weekly magazine and home of the Fortune 500. It is devoted to business, investment, career, management and small business information. So if you are interested in buying a gun, or the business that make and sell guns, you have a winner.

There are hundreds of blogs, websites, newspapers, magazines, government watchdogs, congress reporters, court watchers, think tanks, etc. etc. It is one of the tricks of the left wing radicals, using old communist techniques to invent a propaganda item,
and insert it in a benign publication.

Then they redirect the attentions of the ignorant masses to read it, to distract them from searching for the facts. For example it was a grocery store tabloid that broke the story of John Edwards (Democratic Presidential candidate) and his tramp and his out of wedlock baby.
there is even a book that has been published and for sale about this.

The public is waiting for the findings of their elected Federal Goverment Officials to complete their investigation. We have elected them to represent our interest, let's hear what they have to say.

freedomlibertytruth
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freedomlibertytruth 07/03/12 - 11:55 am
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US Attorney DENNIS BURKE Fast and Furious gunrunner?

People ask where in the world anyone got the idea that Obama/Holders Fast and Furious gun running operation was designed to subvert the right for Americans to own guns.

1.) Well, it’s no secret that the left has been actively openly publically promoting the restrictions of second amendment rights for decades. It’s just one of their prime motives.

2.) Additionally, in this specific case there is a big red flag that is waving itself in the Arizona desert winds. It is Former US Attorney Dennis Burke. He was the Boss who RAN the Fast and Furious operation. You don’t hear much about him because after the operation was exposed he was allowed to quietly resign and receive no ugly consequences for his gun running. So the guy cut and ran, but who was above him? Everyone has a boss.

3.) Dennis Burke was also the Majority Counsel for the Senate Judicial Committee in 1994 that helped pass the Assault Weapon Ban along with RAHM EMMANUEL. Sounds like this guy doesn’t want free Americans to have guns, and every gun restriction is just another step on the path to disarming the public completely.

4.) Dennis Burke was nominated by President Barack Hussein Obama to be the US Attorney of Arizona. He was not in place under the previous administration. He also made large cash donations to Obama.

5.) CBS News (not Fox) found emails from Dennis Burke’s office and Washington DC asking how to handle this mess. Then Burke lied about it. Then he tried to protect himself by leaking documents. Perhaps he WANTED it known that he was not going to take the fall for someone else’s operation. But who above him, how high does this go?

freedomlibertytruth
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freedomlibertytruth 07/03/12 - 01:35 pm
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Fast and Furious gunrunners support second amendment rights?

Apparently Isoroku Yamamoto, the Commander-in-Chief of the Imperial Japanese Navy during WWII didn’t really say after the attack on Pearl Harbor, "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve." It was just a good dramatic movie line.

But he may have said "You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass." This is a very important remark for Americans to ponder.

The purpose of the second amendment was to create an armed citizenry as a whole, as well as to protect the individual right to own guns to hunt and protect their homes. The liberals in this country want you to believe it was written so that citizens could unlawfully slaughter each other.

The progressives honestly want to convince you that when an early American viciously gunned down his neighbors without cause; that there were no lawful response from the other gun owners. No Sheriff, no courts, no trials, no jails, and no punishment at all for wrongdoing? So they are going to correct that error right now by disarming you.

If the left wing is correct about Fast and Furious not being a gun running operation designed to stop private gun possession, and then let them say so. For me to believe that option this is what would have to happen:

President Barack Hussein Obama and US Attorney General Eric Holder both stand up at the White House podium and state that they fully and completely support the second amendment right of Americans to have guns.

spwright
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spwright 07/04/12 - 08:28 am
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Is That You ?

Wed The 4th of July,2012

Is That You Norm or Ray ? or have You changed your name once again ?

SPW

freedomlibertytruth
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freedomlibertytruth 07/04/12 - 11:58 pm
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American Patriots to emulate

If you are referring to General H. Norman Schwarzkopf – Retired US Army four-star General, or Brigadier General Timothy M. Ray – Commanding General NATO Air Training Command, then no it is not me.

But whoever it is that you ‘think’ is me, he must be a proud American Patriot and YOU would do well to emulate him in your life. You wouldn’t have to think like him, just try to talk and act like him. At least outwardly you’d appear to others as brighter, more knowledgeable, and more respectful to your country. Perhaps you too will learn that your freedom isn’t free. It’s been paid for by everyone that has come before you.

Suss
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Suss 07/05/12 - 08:45 am
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Emulate F.L.T.? Not a chance.

Mr. I am full of myself, aka “freedom and liberty from the truth” wants to criticize anyone that disagrees with him. Well, first off he does not impress for many reasons. He thinks our Judges don’t prosecute enough, wrong on very simple fundamental level. He does not understand infer when he means imply. Thinks Nikiski is a Governmental unit that gets millions of dollars in taxes. Thinks our legislature has been decreasing penalties for crime, when just the opposite has been happening for a long time. He implies that a company is committing bribery without any idea how libelous his statements are. His posting about crime and the death of a police office was a total disconnect with reality. Simply put, “What a maroon”.

SPWright as one vet to another you should know that, he(liberty and freedom from the truth) tried to slam Obamacare by saying there was not one vet that thinks Veterans Administration health care is adequate. I know differently and the care given to our vets in Alaska is to be highly respected because it is very, very comprehensive. Please enjoy his postings for what they are, humorous and ill informed.

spwright
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spwright 07/05/12 - 07:38 am
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Liable

Suss Thur. 7/5/12

I challenge you Suss to provide the exact statement where I spoke negatively against today's Veterans Affairs Medical Care.

You can't because I never said that.

I have shared what my Family experienced in "The 70's" & the horrible conditions in Our VA Hospitals at the Time BUT
I always stated there was a 1000% increase for the Better
with the VA Medical Care that is happening today.

Matter of Fact the same V A system has Saved the Life of My Brother with Prostate Cancer from exposure to Agent Orange.

Maybe you have short term memory loss & can't remember Who said What ?

SPW "Airborne"

Suss
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Suss 07/05/12 - 08:33 am
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SPWright

The reference re: Vet Care was not about you. It was about "liberty's" previous post. I cured the confusion. I am aware as you are of the state of VA health care and I am grateful for them. Sorry for the confusion. I was wanting to make clear to you that he(liberty and freedom from the truth) knows nothing about VA care, and to insult Obamacare by slamming VA care showed his lack of knowledge.

spwright
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spwright 07/05/12 - 08:49 am
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Today's V A

Thank You Suss for making the time to correct that statement.

I know from 1st hand personal experience the World Class
Medical Service that is provided by today's VA System.

Make the time to speak with Iraq & Afghanistan Veterans
& the also have very POSITIVE messages about the Medical Care they have received.

The combined Air Force & VA Hospital at Elemendorf AFB in ANC provides World Class Medical Care.
& some Beautiful Air Force Nurses !

SPW"Airborne"

spwright
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spwright 07/05/12 - 08:50 am
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Today's V A

Thank You Suss for making the time to correct that statement.

I know from 1st hand personal experience the World Class
Medical Service that is provided by today's VA System.

Make the time to speak with Iraq & Afghanistan Veterans
& the also have very POSITIVE messages about the Medical Care they have received.

The combined Air Force & VA Hospital at Elemendorf AFB in ANC provides World Class Medical Care.
& some Beautiful Air Force Nurses !

SPW"Airborne"

gfds98765
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gfds98765 07/05/12 - 05:13 pm
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windbags changing their tunes

you'all been pissn moaning about the VA forever. When your sitting in the bar or complaining to the guys you work with, theres lots of complaining about benefits and medcl care for vets. You've told your stories so much wegot them memorised. Now your changing your story and they are walking on water. make up your mind or shut your piehole.
and put the people on ignore if you don't like them.

lkpomn912
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lkpomn912 07/07/12 - 10:29 am
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…..He thinks our Judges don’t

…..He thinks our Judges don’t prosecute enough, wrong on very simple fundamental level…

you’ve been on the wrong side of the bars in the greybar hotel, or you would not hold such a view and youd have a minimal knowledge of crime locally. most criminals commit numerous crimes before they ever get caught. The average amount of crimes committed inregard to the amount of successful prosecutions is about five to one. their crimes are dismissed plead out or lowered in degree when they do get caught. When convicted their jail time is reduced by the judge, or put on hold so to speak. They get their hands slapped. They don’t have to do the jail time now, but by golly if they ever do anthing like this again, Then they have to pay for the previous crime. The state jail often does one of its many early release programs and boots them out. The local victims of crime are painfully aware of this. Really SUSS confess youve benefited from loose prosecutions too, you can tell us. Trust us were from the government and were here to help you.

Suss
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Suss 07/07/12 - 12:41 pm
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"Prosecute enough"

Simply put, judges do not prosecute. That would be idiotic, why have a district attorney? Flaming cats aside take a refresher civics class when you go back to get your GED. Maybe you were sick that year of home school.

freedomlibertytruth
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freedomlibertytruth 07/07/12 - 01:42 pm
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“A lie can travel halfway

“A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes” So said our illustrious American writer Mark Twain.
A propaganda slogan [or biased political lie] is short, simple, and designed for repetition and retention without contemplation or challenge.
The truth requires deliberation, concentration, investigation, verification, contemplation, rational evaluation. This takes both time and effort. An American who is interested in the continuation of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness must be mindful to a degree. They must not only speak their mind; but also be willing and able to listen to the rebuke that follows and formulate reasonable response for further discourse.

It is very possible that leewaytooo will be part of the successful overturning and fundamental change of America by the chant:

repukes the party of lies, liars and hypocrites.
repukes the party of lies, liars and hypocrites.

Or with theSpwrights chants:

PRESIDENT OBAMA IS RE-ELECTED THIS COMING NOVEMBER 2012 !
PRESIDENT OBAMA IS RE-ELECTED THIS COMING NOVEMBER 2012 !

Yes, you may well win. However on another note. Excellent deflection Suss. Good Saul Alinsky Rules for Radicals technique. By pointing out that one single specific point in a post is an technical error in legal procedure; (ie. that District Attorneys do the specific job of presenting the case, not the judge.) You attempt to dismiss, deflect, and misdirect readers on the preponderance of the entirety of the many points presented. You did not manage to cancel the actual message, nor to give any reasonable argument that refutes it. So it will stand as valid until you present a case that invalidates it.
You may well win I'll give you that.

gfds98765
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gfds98765 07/07/12 - 01:57 pm
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you know the saying about

you know the saying about wrestling with a pig you only get dirty and the pig loves it. When you got people voting ten times a piece, and dead people and illegal aliens padding the election, they WILL tend to win. It’ll be a long time before the Fast Furious thing is sorted, the election will be over, and it dang wlll won’t matter .F.L.T. you might as well give it up and go back to your books your outnumbered here

spwright
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spwright 07/07/12 - 08:41 pm
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Warms My Soul

Sat 7/7/12

Oh It just Warms My Soul to know that the sentense of :

PRESIDENT OBAMA WILL BE RE-ELECTED THIS COMING NOVEMBER 2012

irritates & really gets under the skin of Republicans.
That Just Makes My Day.

SPW

bob99507
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bob99507 07/08/12 - 11:33 am
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I if you voted for obama in 2008 to prove you wasn't a racist. Vote for someone else in 2012 to prove you're not a idiot

spwright
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spwright 07/08/12 - 02:14 pm
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Oh Bob

Sun. 7/8/12

How did I already know that YOU would reply with such a statement ?

PRESIDENT OBAMA WILL BE RE-ELECTED THIS COMING NOVEMBER 2012

& You Bob are going to be so very very Upset. Prepare yourself.

SPW

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