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Dipnet fisheries should be limited to Peninsula residents

Posted: August 17, 2012 - 8:05am

In regard to so much ado about the “pollution” from dipnet fishing, the Kenai and Kasilof rivers dipnet personal-use fisheries as they exist now should be available for Kenai Peninsula Borough residents only. The area becomes “people polluted” if every one from north of the Kenai Peninsula is allowed to participate in a very limited area for personal-use fishing quotas.

Let the Anchorage and their out-lying areas people fish their own areas.

As a local resident my wife and I harvest our quota a bit at a time so we can better care and process our catch at home and not litter the fishing area, all of the waste being fertilizer for the garden or chicken food. This is not a recipe for most people. However, our proposal would reduce the pollution from “outsiders.”


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TheKenaiKid
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TheKenaiKid 08/18/12 - 12:04 pm
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Totally agree

Great letter. However, I would like to propose that we take it a step further and only allow true "locals" to fish OUR areas. That means you Kasilof people need to stay south of the Blanchard Line. And Soldotna people should definitely not be allowed to dip on Kenai's beach. Go Kards! In fact, the only people who should have a right to dip on the Kenai beach are those who can actually see the water from where they live...to Joes we Goes!!!

(Also, definitely no Homeroids. Let them eat Irish Lords.)

s2wheel
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s2wheel 08/19/12 - 09:32 am
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Do you relize how much

Do you relize how much revenue was brought to the peninsula during dipnet season the stores were packed the motels were full the bars were full we should be thankful for all the people coming here because befor then it was pretty dead

julie
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julie 08/20/12 - 07:16 am
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End Salmon Bycatch Petition

http://signon.org/sign/end-salmon-halibut-bycatch
Let's get together and stop the salmon & halibut bycatch. Get the trawlers to let the fish spawn in the rivers!
Here's the facts: https://www.facebook.com/EndTrawlerSalmonBycatch

alaskanni
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alaskanni 08/21/12 - 06:29 am
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How elitist

Really, Kenai resident's only? Just because you live in Kenai doesn't mean you own the river. The Kenai and Kasilof rivers belong to the people of the State of Alaska. Of course I am sure not one Kenai resident leaves any trash at all on the river bank. They don't contribute to the people pollution either. It's all those evil Anchorage people. Just evil, evil people because they live in Anchorage. Of course you can get your fish, you are special right? How about Kenai peninnsula residents can fish Tues -Thurs and anyone else can fish Fri-Mon. Sound fair? What a load.

spybot
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spybot 08/21/12 - 07:37 am
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Great Idea - not

Following in the tradition of other such great ideas, that strengthen our community and make it a richer place to live.

Only City of Kenai residents can use the Kenai Public Library or visit the Kenai Visitors and Cultural Center.
Only residents of the Peninsula can use the Central Peninsula Hospital.
Only residents of the Peninsula can pick blueberries, mushrooms, cranberries, and ferns.
Only residents of the Peninsula can collect beach rocks along the public beaches.
Only residents of the Peninsula can use the public roads during the hours of 6 am to 9 am, and from 4 pm to 7 pm.
Only residents of the City of Soldotna can use the city parks.
Only residents of the City of Kenai can use the Kenai Golf Course and the Disc Golf Course.
Only residents of the City of Seward can participant in the Seward Silver Salmon Derby.
The Chugach National Forest, Kenai National Wildlife Refuge and Kenai Fjords National Park will only be open to residents of the Kenai Peninsula.
All non-residents must identify themselves with a Scarlet Letter.

smithtb
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smithtb 08/21/12 - 04:05 pm
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No Limits

If there were 10,000 people trying to use the Kenai Public Library all at once, something would have to be done. For starters, the fire marshal would barricade the door and declare the building at capacity for public safety reasons - sorry people, it's 1 in, 1 out now.

Unfortunately, no one seems to care that our river and beaches are beyond maximum capacity. It seems the fish are starting to notice...

I don't think that residents only is the solution, however this fishery is representative of the lack of limits on our river. Let us not forget that before this fishery was created, these valuable fish were allocated to a local industry that benefits our state and community year round and much more than the beer and diapers that the dipnetters buy for a couple weeks in the summer. The PU fisherey has been allowed to grow unchecked. They took almost 600,000 fish last summer, and very likely took more this summer. (We don't know how many yet because there is no means in place to track what is harvested in a timely manner)

Our community was built around this river. It has depended on this resource for as long as it has been around. The PU fishery is an awsome privelidge for AK residents. Unfortunately, fish are being harvested by statewide residents disproportionally from Peninsula rivers. Giving it all away and allowing our rivers and beaches to be overcrowded and trashed does not strengthen our community or make it a richer place to live. It's time for some limits.

jennyb47
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jennyb47 08/22/12 - 12:23 pm
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Lack of Enforcement

Why don't we go even further with limiting access to the Kenai River dip net fishery:

1. Only Kenai/Soldotna residents without a DWI/DUI.

2. Only Kenai/Soldotna residents that have a job & pay taxes.

3. Only Kenai/Soldotna residents that carry insurance.

Sounds stupid doesn't it??!! Get real. More enforcement/adult intervention is needed and there wasn't much to speak of this summer.

BigRedDog
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BigRedDog 08/23/12 - 04:47 am
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Revenue Enhancement

Having fished the dip-net fishery since day one, I thought I shouldn't be in for any real surprizes. but boy howdy was I wrong. As I approached ramp to launch a very attractive young Alaska Dept F&G officer walked up to my truck. In a very official tone said straight up " You must count, cut the tails, and record your catch while on the water!" If you wait to write it down in the parking lot we will write you a ticket."
Just what air-head decided in their great wisdom that we have given up all sanity and would allow some thumb sucking beaurocrat to make such a rule of thumb? It would be near an unsafe act to perform these chores while bobbing around in some of the boats. Four folks in a 14' boat with a 15 hp kicked and three 96 qt coolers, now everybody get in a giant cluster write down your counts. Just an unneeded layer of F&G revenue enhancement used to over manage a resource bye waving the "I"ll Fine You Rag!"
Somebody needes to pull the rug from under this type of over reacting to stress bye the Dept of F&G. Just who decided and gave the power to come up with such a silly Thumb sucking Rule? What local Judge will uphold such an unwitting rule bye fine? When it comes time to elect for retention which judge would want it on the record that they put the teath in such a Thumb sucking Rule?
For over 10 years I've been told if you leave the parking lot w/o writing down your fish you willbe fined. Now to hear a change because of what, just who decided this knee jerk reaction is valid? This new change didn't even make the paper unlike the names of those ticketed for this new change. It's time for everyone to get together and stop the F&G from revenue enhancement management practices.
Yes they have a rough job, but just who gave you the authority to decide in your stressed out thumb sucking knee jerk over reaction to fine somebody for any little thing you think of? That is what I call a rule of thumb, and it occurs through out a lot of work places. Just put a little stress on somebody that just can't handle the job before them and you get a knee jerk, and that old rule of thumb! pull the thumb out of your mouth and think before you Rule!

wilsonro
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wilsonro 08/23/12 - 11:31 am
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Great Point

I feel the exact same way!! They go to Costco and fuel up before they even come here trash the place and leave. I don’t believe the little bit of revenue is worth it. This fishery when I was a kid was for over escapement not a given right to the whole state of Alaska to fish from July 10-31, Even before the minimum escapement is meet they are fishing. This dipnet fishery is out of control, it shouldn’t even occur unless the minimum escapement is meet first, and only to the Kenai Peninsula residents. On the average they catch 500,000 fish that are reported! ADF&G will never admit it, but they are trying to use the dipnet fishery to control the run, instead of the Eastside Setnetters!

alaskanni
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alaskanni 08/23/12 - 01:44 pm
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wilsonro

Until you own that river it belongs to the entire State of Alaska. Don't like it? Tough.

wilsonro
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wilsonro 08/23/12 - 03:56 pm
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alaskaanni

From the sounds of it u must not live here. I should actually own the river, my people are buried all around it “5th generation”.

smithtb
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smithtb 08/23/12 - 05:06 pm
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Bigreddog

"four folks in a 14' boat with a 15hp kicked and three 96qt coolers"
Kind of a circus huh?
Yup, that's part of the problem.

I'm sorry you had a bad plan, but those fish are very important to our community. Please report and don't waste what you catch, and don't take more than you need. And get a better plan if you need to get enough fish to fill three 96 qt coolers.

Revenue enchancement is right. My community needs more revenue to deal with the incredable amount of trash this out-of-control fishery creates. You really think this fishery is overmanaged? Wow.

If you can't handle following the rules, stay home.

Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 08/23/12 - 05:31 pm
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smithtb missed the point

Ya missed the point of red dogs story about it not being condusive some times to write down ones catch on the water. I know red dog & he ain't gonna be the ones in that little boat with all the coolers, he was mearly pointing out the desperate conditions some people will go to to try & get those fish.
I wait until i get to shore so my catch record card for f&g will not get wet or soiled which i'm sure is legal and also a good idea to insure a proper count.
As i've stated before it does appear that the problem is out of state people along with a few local cletus's causing trouble, with the help of northerners past Hope cutoff also adding to the mess.
My advice is to check everyone and anyone that looks like they may be from the lower 48 and especially look for the tell tell cases of out of state plates on trucks or cars loaded with coolers and dip nets.

kenai-king
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kenai-king 08/23/12 - 05:52 pm
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bad fishery

I don't care how much money this fishery brings to the peninsula its got to go. It drives me crazy when this fishery starts, this is where I live (27 years) and the month of July sucks with this. It was bad enough before when it was just rod & reel fishing now its out of control.

smithtb
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smithtb 08/23/12 - 08:58 pm
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Sport Fishery

I didn't miss the point. You missed mine. Writing down your catch of PU fish is no different than punching your moose tag with bloody hands, or writing on your king stamp in the boat when its raining, or putting on your freaking seatbelt when the kids are screaming bloody murder.

Obviously counting fish and clipping tails is a lot harder with 200 fish. Maybe you could follow the rules if you took a few less fish.

THIS IS NOT A SUBSISTENCE FISHERY. It was designed as a very efficient sport fishery. I don't feel bad for the dorks out there in their way-to-small-of boats with way too many fish. Follow the rules.

BigRedDog
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BigRedDog 08/24/12 - 07:34 am
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Wide Left,you missed the point

Still didn't catch what I meant, you just don't get to change the proceedure bye announcing at the ramp "If you don't write the fish down while on the River we will ticket you!" Nothing in the paper and no announcement on the radio and a new source of revenue for the State from a funky ticket written as a revenue enhancement! That is BS, there I said it like it is that some thumb sucking beaurocrat thinks they have the power to make an arbitrary change to the proceedure and then think they have the authority to back it up with a ticket is the Problem. no public imput, no discussion about how this change would effect or make it a better fishery, just a new fine! Well that is a real indicator of what the AK DF&G thinks is the way to do business. Rather than have a compassionate veiw of regulating the resource they thinbk of some funky way to make a buck and fine the people as a means of regulating the resource.
So the real question here is just what TSB made up the idea that ticketing a fisherman for such a knee jerk rule of thumb is right or a proper management tool in this fishery? That someone hidden deep in the Dept F&G thinks it's just OKAY to ticket some poor hard working citezen trying to get food for the table as a means of revenue is the Problem!!
We need a little judicial help inthis type of BS ticket that any local judge would not throw out ANY ticket issued for this would surprise me. That the AK DF&G can write such a stupid myopic rule of thumb without any Judicial oversite is the problem. Maybe this would be a great time to discuss the process and ask if we could include some judiciary forethought into the regulations when writting them!
Then forcus enforcement the abusers of the fishery and not try to find some tiny little dot or tiddle to make revenue!! And it is my position that forcing someone to trim count and write down their catch in the middle of the meyley is just not prudent and could cause disaster! You can bet I had mine counted trimmed and written down on the water, but the point is threatening fines for such a trivial rule of thumb is the wrong mindset for management of this hot topic fishery!

Seafarer
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Seafarer 08/24/12 - 09:39 am
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Dipnetters

I totally agree! Skankorage people trash our beaches and tie up our roads with reckless driving. They do not respect our home. They litter our campgrounds and leave fires going after they leave. This is not a true subsistance fishery...it's a free for all party. A lot of people process the fish for resale and that is illegal, but not enforced at all.

Seafarer
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Seafarer 08/24/12 - 09:52 am
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ADF&G Enforcement

I think the ADFG should set up high "lifeguard stations" all along the beach and truely enforce their many regs. This could be contracted out and radios used to call in reinforcements, if needed. That and a pair of binocs will bring your revenuer quotas in a hurry.

wilsonro
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wilsonro 08/24/12 - 12:10 pm
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History

"Dena'ina battle of 1797", in a different form.

rogerthedodger
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rogerthedodger 08/26/12 - 11:15 am
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dipnet cluster

Ok, here's the deal. The solution is simple. All those nice folks from the north want is some salmon and they are willing to spend hundreds of dollars to come down here and stand in a river and get beat up by waves from the north pacific to get them. I am thinking all we have to do is harvest some fish, haul it to Anchorage and hand it out. The people that spend all that money and time to come down and harvest from the beaches would be glad to make a donation to pay the expenses of collecting the fish and they can get their fish right there in Anchorage. This is a win win...locals can have their roads and beaches back. Non-locals don't have the expense and risk that comes with the harvest. Fish and Game can better monitor how many fish are being harvested by the personel use activities. The only losers are the local retailers. They will still have the Outside tourist!!!

thewhop2000
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thewhop2000 08/26/12 - 02:21 pm
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WTF?

Where do you people get your numbers on the amount of fish caught? The dipnet fishery takes @ 350,000 reds when the economy took a dump, it nortmally was @ 200,000 until then. while the commfishers take millions. We all benefit. The salmon belong to all of us, just not Kenai residents. Let's put a tollbooth on the seward and charge all Soldotna/Kenai residents a toll for driving to Costco in Anchorage. How ignorant is that? Almost as much as only Kenai residents can dipnet. Don't wear stupid on your sleeve, it shows enough on what you write

thewhop2000
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thewhop2000 08/26/12 - 02:24 pm
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sorry if I am rude but...

the comments posted are just as rude as mine. The Salmon are a federal resource, not a tiny towns personal use just for them. We all share and if cutbacks need to be made, all users should shoulder the burdon.

thewhop2000
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thewhop2000 08/26/12 - 02:27 pm
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rogerdodger

who is gonna pay those that collect those fish, eh? I would gladly pay 5 dollars a fish if they were iced down and delivered to Anchorage. Set it up, I'm game!!!

alaskanni
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alaskanni 08/28/12 - 01:58 pm
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wilsonro

You would be wrong. I do live here. I could care less if you have 5th generation buried around it. The river belongs to the people of the State of Alaska. Get off your high horse. You are no better than anyone else. You should also learn how to write the English language. "u"? How mature.

smithtb
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smithtb 08/28/12 - 01:22 pm
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FACT CHECK

Thewhop2000, check your numbers. If your gonna correct people, make sure your facts are correct.

In 2011, dipnetters took 644,693 salmon from Upper Cook Inlet. 548,582 came from the Kenai River (537,765 Sockeye). These are the State's estimates. If you took the time to learn how the state estimates these numbers, chances are you would suspect, as I do, that these numbers are low.

This year, PU harvest is expected to be substantially higher.

FTR, these numbers were not taken from the PU section of ADF&G's website - I couldn't find them there. They were taken from the 2011 UCI Commercial Fisheries Annual Management Report. Numbers are important to us, they are the reason that our fishery has been sustainable for so long. Too bad the newer user groups have not figured this out yet. Seems we are all paying the price for that now.

The river and the Salmon in it belong to the people of this State, and the State is charged with managing this resource consistent with the public interest. The valuable industries (commercial fishing & tourism/guiding) are a huge economic engine in our state, and benefit every single resident. The PU fishery is a great sport fishery for residents, but giving all of our fish away for free is not in the people's best interest. Please acknowledge that.

It's not the PU fishery that scares me, it's the "Those are my fish, how dare you use them for profit" mentality that you and other users of this fishery exude that frustrates and frightens me.

My community was built around this river and the resources it provides. We have cared for it and respected it for many, many years. The madness that is going on at the mouth of the Kenai sickens me and is in no way in anyone's best interest. It is siphoning off a valuable resource that my family and community have legally depended on for many years - because that is our WAY OF LIFE. I don't care what legal, philisophical, or constitutional defense you throw at me, what is happening down there is wrong any everybody knows it.

This fishery needs order and limits for economic, environmental, and safety reasons.

Gluggo
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Gluggo 08/29/12 - 05:10 pm
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I totally agree

Lets shut off the Coopers Landing cut off road to Kenai. We dont need Anchorage at all! Maybe we only let the single ladies through for fun and adventure down here on the Kenai!

thewhop2000
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thewhop2000 08/29/12 - 05:56 pm
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SmithTB

Do not put words into my mouth I did not speak. These are all "our fish", not just yours cause you paid for access. It is called fishing, not catching so your way of life is not a sure bet.
As for giving "our fish away" to dipnetters, it is only sharing a resource. When the fish make it past the drifters and setnetters they are lost to the comfishers anyway, once in the mouth of the Kasilof or Kenai.. What better why to share a resource than dipnetting? what do you propose? A couple of seiners above the ames bridge to catch any remaining overescapement? 1500 comfishers verses 95,000 Alaskans who benefit from dipnetting? Yea, lets throw out the Alaskan constitution cause you don't want to share. Glad you didn't play in my sandbox as a kid, you never learned to share, only take!!!!!!!!!!!!!

smithtb
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smithtb 08/30/12 - 06:23 am
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"Sharing"

2000, I don't know how many times I can say that this fishery is a good thing and I don't want to see it eliminated.

I have no problem sharing fish. Are we required to share the fish from this one river with every person in the state? Are you aware that this is a limited resource? Is it so unreasonable to establish some sort of limit on how many fish can be taken by PU in any one river, or are you prepared to throw away the valuable fishing industries that benefit every single resident of this state much more than any weekend of dipnetting?

Believe it or not, the law also states that Alaska must protect the fisheries that have historically harvested a certain stock in the advent of new and emerging fisheries. This PU fishery, if allowed to grow with no limits, has the potential to destroy both the commercial fishery and the ecosystem of the lower river. I'm not ok with that.

Every single time I try to stress that this fishery is out of control, someone from your crew trys to make it sound like I want to have sole right to harvest these fish. Not true. I simply want it to have limits, just like my fishery. If everyone would just admit that the PU fishery is out of control and something needs to be done, then maybe we could get somewhere.

Alaskaborn
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Alaskaborn 08/30/12 - 08:04 am
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Recording requirement not new

The requirement to clip fins and record your harvest prior to leaving the fishing site or concealing fish from view has been there from the beginning. It even states that on your permit. I've been checked the last four years at the top of the city dock and they have said the same thing. The fishing site is the area open to personal use fishing. The parking lot is not open to fishing. Counting, clipping, and recording out on the water isn't a problem, it just takes a bit of effort. Less effort than it does to catch and process all those fish. I haven't heard of a single accident caused by someone clipping fins or filling out the permit.

Enforcement only has a very small window of opportunity to check users for compliance once they leave the fishing site. The line has to be drawn somewhere and the fishing site is the logical place to draw the line. The city dock is outside the boundary for fishing from a boat, just like Eagle Rock, the Pillars, or a private dock. It's the same for people dipping from shore, if you hit the parking lot without recording you get a ticket. If you don't like the regulation as it's written, put in a proposal to the Board of Fish to change it.

JOAT
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JOAT 08/31/12 - 03:45 am
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Read the rules

Ditto on the rules. Clip & record has always been required before leaving the fishing site or concealing the fish. That isn't something the officer at the dock made up just for you, but a friendly reminder due to the number of people who are not following the rules.

It's really easy. Pull fish from water. Clip the gills and tail. Put fish on ice or stringer and place back in water (both of these are "concealing" and the tails must be clipped prior to concealing the fish in your 96qt cooler).

You better be keeping track of your fish as you go! Otherwise, how do you know how close you are to your goal? Anyone who says they have to have a chance to stop and count their fish back at the beach is doing it wrong!!!

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