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Is there a war on Christmas?

Posted: December 14, 2012 - 10:35am

So this is my question, is there a war on Christ-mas or not? Just who is waging this war and for what reasons? I have a few ideas on this topic that always arises each year at the nearing or during the Winter Solstice in December around the 21st-25th. Is this really about worship of the Christ child’s birth, or the worship of the sun, or is it about Santa and giving of gifts? Or is it about all three and why or how can that be?

Just wonder if people really know what and why they do or don’t celebrate this time of year called Christ-mas? Is it really for the reason they think they are celebrating when they do so? What say ye, celebraters and non?

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Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 12/14/12 - 01:03 pm
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Why was holiday tree story closed & posts removed

OOPS!! I see that once again if people quote the truth about articles their posts are removed and the article is closed to further comments. Why is that? If you write an article that you fully know is of a controversial nature to many, then why do you write them? Every subject can, will cause some form of controversy no matter what it's about so should the Clarion or others completely stop sharing of news? No we should not.

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Watchman on the Wall 12/14/12 - 01:34 pm
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War or not?

So why is this war on christ-mas being fought and do those fighting for it rteally understand why they are doing so?
As i have shown at other times this is as History shows at first a pagan winter solstic holiday set forth in 274 by Roman emperor Aurelian to worship the birth of the invincible sun, known as Natalis Solis Invicti.
46 years later Catholic Pope Julius I of Rome adopted this same day as the birthday of Christ. 5 years later new Roman Catholic Roman emperor Constantine the Great declared that December 25th was the immovable feast of Christ-mas.
So as one looks at History Past we see that men have declared this as Christs "B"Day and we wholeheartedly follow this declaration of men as true, even though God, nor Jesus either one gave commands to observe this day as the day of the Saviors birth in any Historic written text, either Jewish Torah or Christian Bible.
Have you ever really wondered WHY THAT IS?
We have taken the words, commands of men and elevated them above the commands of God. God specifically says DON'T bring any living or dead created things into our homes or cities and set them up as forms of worship to God like the many false religions, pagans did nonstop to their gods.
My question is if we as Believers in Christs birth ment as a fulfillment by his coming to redeem mankind why didn't God give us a day to celebrate this Blessed Hope, or did he and we just refuse to acknowledge this day as commanded by God?
Why do you fight for a manmade feast, holiday as if it were from God? The GR8 Deceiver is laughing his tail off at Christians that are bent out of shape and fighting for this manmade holiday that is totally pagan and we just continue on year after year repeating the same mistakes and thinking we are giving worship to God and the Christ, Savior of mankind. My People Suffer From Lack Of Knowledge, God says, and i say ain't it true?
Plese show me where the instruction books say to worship December 25 as the day of Salvation to men and i will RESTART doing so.
Not trying to start a fight here folks, just wondering why we do what we do, and if we really know Why, Where, When, Who and How all these things, dates came to be Feasts, Holidays of men and God supposedly.

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Localmrs 12/15/12 - 12:31 am
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Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 12/15/12 - 11:18 pm
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Christ was born as History shows

We know about the birth of Christ Jesus more so than Julius Caesar's birth and history.
The thing Christ was born for the purpose of redeeming mankind as the Angels proclaimed to the shepards on that Glorious night just over 2012 yrs ago. Thats why we know it's 2012 based on Christs birth.
My view is that Satan has got us more worried about the tree or name christ-mas to the point that we are fighting for a date that God never set for us to acknowledge as his sons birthday. It's more about Santa or the Tree or presents, gifts and the REAL REASON FOR THE SEASON is supposed to be Christ Jesus' birthday and fulfillment for Gods prophecied redeemption of mankind from the curse of sin that Adam brought on all of us in the Garden some 6000 yrs ago. God promised a redeemer and savior that would come from the Jewish people and thus Christ did and has and is, just as God said and right on time on Gods choosen date, not mankinds.
As i have said i think Christs birth was on Tishre 1 of the Jewish calendar, usually in the middle of Sept. which is Gods New Years Day as well as day of Creation, as well as Day Noah came off the ark, all New Beginnings and thats exactly what Christs birth was, the New Beginning of the Age of Grace towards all of mankind who believe in Christs atonement at Calvary.
So I'll say a Belated Happy Birthday to my Lord and Savior Yershua. Come quickly Lord Jesus. Luke 2:9-14
True Christians know who has already won the war against Our Savior and his birth, death and resurrection all to save everyone that would Freely accept this Wonderful Gift from God, the gift of Life. John 3:16-18
Jesus is the Reason for the Season, even if we are a couple months late, God never was late with his promises, nor shall he ever be.
Happy "BB"Day JC my Lord

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Localmrs 12/16/12 - 01:38 am
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Finale

It doesn't matter what day Jesus was born. We celebrate all year long 24/7/365. No it's not about the tree, but if you're gonna have tree it's a Christmas Tree. AMEN.

Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 12/16/12 - 11:21 am
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Localmrs, not wanting to fight just share info.

Of course if one does not believe or accept the Historical Truth of Christs coming to Redeem mankind at all, or know that the Bible says not to put up any symbols or idols of worship in our homes or cities as believers in God & his word, then no it,s not a christ-mas tree.
To some it is a Festivas Tree, others Holiday Tree and to those that combine unbiblical Traditions with Biblical then it does become a Christ-mas Tree.
Believers and followers of the written word should know whats acceptable or not, or Biblical Truth or not and not combine the two, fictional or pagan into biblical or truth.

Take the Manger scene of Jesus' birth every where, at most christian or wannabe christian churches, as well as other places, it's not Biblical, yet there it is for all the world to see.
It is two differant Biblical accounts mixed into one which is kind of like this tree thing of mixing things into one & the birth of Christ.
There were more than 3 Magi, they did not ride camels, nor were they at the birth of Christ at the Manger, they came later and found the child and his mother in the House according to scripture.
Yet we change things around or add things to the Truth, or accept things unaware all to make men happy and we wonder why all the confussion about WHAT IS TRUTH from a lost and dieing world.
When Santa becomes an omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient person just as God is and Santa is a giver of gifts, just as God is, and it's all symbolized by a tree and fat guy in a red suit that flies around in a sleigh pulled by rain-deer(as in all wet) at the winter solstice. Then we have a problem with Truth and it's a confussing problem as well, especially to innocent children that are being lied to and one day will realize the lies and not believe anything they are told by parents or adults and it snowballs further out of control this lie does. The truth of Christ's Birth and reason for being born is the main thing thats lost, along with the trust of people, the truth of Christ, which is their and our Only Hope, Not Santa.
Have a GR8 Belated time of Remembrance to OUR Saviors Historic Birth and as you say, we, i celebrate that daily as my ONLY HOPE.
Be Blessed and Titus 2:13

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Seafarer 12/16/12 - 12:54 pm
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Sniveling Godheads

The only people sniveling and whining like unenlightened fools are you fairy tale believers. I'm an athiest and I could care freakin' less what to call a dying tree with lights on it. Call it a Christmas Tree! That's what we call it in my family even tho we are not religious people. The only reason we do the presents and Santa Claus is for our young kids. The delight in their eyes during the season is too precious for words and this Granny loves to shower her grandgirls with gifts, Christmas or not!

See, even athiests can say Christmas. My preference, however, for greetings is one I take from the show, Northern Exposure. It is Bon d'Hiver! Pronounced bone deevair and means, simply, Happy Winter. Now what's wrong with that? I'm sure there will be some French Bashers here next...

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Unglued 12/16/12 - 04:07 pm
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Don't bring the French into this!

I was OK with this calm, intelligent exchange of holiday-time comments until you brought up the French, who are responsible for so many wrongs, I'm almost at a loss for words. But only almost.

Isn't Christ supposed to be all about love and tolerance of your fellow man?

If you're so intolerant that you can't even abide someone calling a tree anything other than a Christmas tree, how can you possibly consider yourself to be a Christian?

And if Christ is so great, why aren't you being loving and tolerant every day of the year, not just on the day a Pope chose to celebrate?

Just askin'.

Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 12/17/12 - 06:49 am
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You are a Humanist, Atheists don't exist.

You seafarer are a Humanist, that thinks she is an athiest and both are a MUCH MORE FARRRRRRR REACHING FAITH than Christianity & us fairy tale believers. So your Hope is in self and this world and of most people your the most hopeless and miserable of all other people that believe as you do. You see in your stating that you don't believe in God you in fact inforce the truth of Gods existance. How can you say you don't believe in something if it does not exist? The thing is that God does not Believe in Atheists, therefore you don't exist. Romans 1:18-20 actually 18-32 shows that god created the knowledge of himself into every single one of us. You seafarer, like others, simply don't want to accept that fact, therefore you make ridiculous claims of unbelief of something you actually do believe in, but, just refuse to acknowledge. For now that is.
Thanks for your reply though, even though it was a question for smart people, those that understand that even though the time is off slightly, Jesus is the Reason for the Season and it's ALL ABOUT HIS BIRTH and Free gift to men, not your bonappetit tree.
There is a war and it's being waged so as Christians are tricked into fighting for something thats not Biblical or commanded by God, but actually is of pagan origin, thats my point. We want to fight and preserve a Tradition of men, rather than Commands of God.
A Happy Belated Birthday Jesus, to you seafarer and Good Luck with self Hope as we go foreward. Prayers for you and yours & may the Lord bring you to a place where your abilities fail and Gods prevail in sustaining you, just as this self sufficent man was also done and has come to be the fairy tale believer that i am now.
It's all about Gods Free Gift of Life to his creation by the Birth of his son Jesus, The Christ. As John 3:16 says, God so loved the world that he gave, sent his only begotten son into the world as a Free Gift to who soever will accept him, not to judge the world, but, to redeem the world. It goes on to say that all that reject this free gift are already convicted, judged because they don't want the Free Gift of the son or his redeemption. Romans 3:23 says it best when talking about this Free Gift from God that we try to duplicate with our human gifts.
It's Your Free Will choice to accept or reject Free Gifts, just as everyone elses.
Call it what you may and believe what you will, personally i'm not willing to gamble with my soul and what if it is a fairy tale of salvation, this Christianity? What have i lost if i'm wrong, compared to what you and yours will lose if your wrong.

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cormit 12/17/12 - 08:02 am
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Seafarer

Well said Seafarer ...... short and sweet.

Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 12/17/12 - 10:06 am
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Short and Sweet

Jesus is the Reason for the Season.
There is just something about that name isn't there, that sets people off every where.
No worry, every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that JESUS CHRIST is Lord, to the Glory of God the Father, of those in heaven and on earth and those under earth as well.Even if they don't want to do so now, they will some day.
Then the War will be over thats waged against CHRIST.
Short and Sweet.

HAPPY HOLIDAY, OR CHRIST-mas!!

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beaverlooper 12/17/12 - 12:41 pm
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What about the war on

What about the war on Thanksgiving? Christmas is kicking Thanksgiving's behind. Kenai puts up decorations up before then,just can't wait to start celebrating Christ's birth.
I saw Christmas stuff out before Halloween (excuse me "harvest festival") so it looks like Christmas has declared war on that holiday too.
One day Christmas will have defeated all of the other holidays ,because that's where the money is, and we will get to celebrate year round!!

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Norseman 12/17/12 - 01:58 pm
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I follow the ancient

I follow the ancient traditions of celebrating winter solstice.

What kills me is the BIG company endorsement on Soldotna's ugly aluminum lighted stick....CONOCO PHILLIPS............

So lets call it the conoco phillips tree instead........

Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 12/18/12 - 11:04 am
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Which ancient tradition?

There are many ancient traditions to celebrate the sun god. The Sacrificial killing of children was one of them in worship to the sun in hopes that it would hurry and bless everyone with it's warmth & light again. The thing is that ancient winter solstice celebrations are totally pagan to false gods and thats whats infiltrated the celebration of Christs Birth, the real God, as well as his Resurrection Day, now easter.
Scripture says that His, the evil ones desire is to change the times and seasons of those which God appointed, and he has got-r-done, has he not? Most of us supposed Believers have no clue of whats real or false and refuse to even learn.
What is amazing is that when people are given evidence of their errors they refuse to believe and continue on as before.
It is always easier to believe a lie rather than the truth is it not?
When one believes the truth then one has to repent and go a differant way and change their Fundamentals and Hopes to Believe in.
Where have i heard that phrase " We must Act Now and Come Together for a New Fundamental Change and Hope to Believe in" before, especially the last 4 years from a certain messiah, chosen one, savior of America and the world?
People have always wanted it their way from the very beginning with OUR Gr8 grandaddy Adam and Gr8 Granma Eve starting this thing, and they pasted it down to ALL of their family of mankind.
Believe what ya want to, but, do ya really know why ya believe what you do, pagan or not and why is that, and why would any pratice these Ancient traditions unless they actually did believe in some god or God? Why would the Godly mix worship with the Ungodly and how can it really be worship to God when we do so? Just wondering outloud and really still have not gotten any answers as to why people do what they do in their worship, even if they claim to not be doing worship to gods or God.

Happy Belated Birthday Yeshua the Messiah.

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Allen 12/18/12 - 09:30 pm
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There is no "war on Christmas"

There is no such thing as a "war on Christmas."

Mr. Baty/Watchman, many people disagree with your religious rants, including me. Obviously you feel strongly about your religious beliefs, but that is all they are -- YOUR beliefs. So can the sermons please.

Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 12/19/12 - 04:53 am
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NO!

NO, WHO EVER YOU ARE, THEY CAN'T STOP!
BUT CAN YOUR OBJECTION TO THEM, AS WELL AS YOUR BELIEFS COULD THEY PLEASE? NOT YELLING JUST HAD MY CAPS LOCK KEY PUSHED.
Did i get off topic again? OPPS! No i did not. In fact thats exactly what this letter, writen by me, Jerry Baty, is all about, Religion of Christ-mas. No matter which ever way one celebrates this Holiday or Christ-mas or Winter Solstice, IT'S RELIGIOUSLY BASED, either pagan, wannabe christian, or christian. The thing is the combining of pagan celebration of the birth of the invincible sun god or winter solstice, with the birth of the Eternal Son God, Christ, who created the sun. The two don't mix when worship is given for the thankfulness of the Birth of the Savior.
No matter how you want to celebrate this day, it is Religiously based even if you pretend it's not or rant and rave about it, changes the facts none, it is what it is and thats a form of Religious worship to one god, or God to honor his Historic Birthday, even though it was not Dec. 25th.
Have a Real Happy Birthday Party for which ever one you worship and prayers for you to make the right choice.

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cormit 12/19/12 - 09:35 am
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Not yelling

Sorry to disappoint you watchman ..... nothing about religion in christmas for me. Soon the days will be getting longer, just like they have for eons ..... and we will welcome the new year, longer days and all.

Humans have pondered the 'big questions' why are we here? where did we come from? and where are we going next? since the beginning of time and we will continue to search for factual, supportable, answers to these fundamental questions and more.

It apparently makes you, and others like you, feel exceptional because you believe you have all the answers about everything. Unfortunately, your standard supporting your belief is unbelievably low. Your standard is called 'faith' or believing in something for which there is no proof, never was any proof and never will be any proof.

I quit believing in Santa Clause at about six years old .... the evidence simply didn't hold up.

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Norseman 12/19/12 - 10:37 am
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Cormit, a word of

Cormit, a word of advice,

"Don't argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."

Mark Twain

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Watchman on the Wall 12/20/12 - 09:19 am
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Stupid or just real Smart

Funny thing about the opinion of my actions on this blog, which differs from off this blog, even though they are the same actions of helps for others no matter who they are.
I will do anything to help anyone at any time and share the Love of God as i do so.
I am considered a gravious kind giver of time, money and self by many Christians and Nonchristians alike, even strangers i never meet, nor shall ever meet again probably receive my help when i see a need.
My life struggles as a child, teen, young adult into maturing adult and now at a young 61 have always placed an Obligatory guide line in my structure which causes me to always try to help everyone have an easier life than i did and reduce their strugglies or burdons if i can. I have not always been a perfect person and have in fact done many bad things, some of which can never be reversed, although forgiven. These things could drag me down to the pits of dispare of hate and anger at the cards i was delt or cause me to work to reverse that trend and do better for self & others as i take a draw of new cards to complete my hand for eternity.
Not until God came into my heart and forgave me when i accepted his Free Gift of forgiveness and salvation, which can only come thru his Son Jesus the Christ's precious shead blood on Calvary's cross some 2000 yrs ago almost.
The entire world celebrate his, Jesus the Christ's birthday this time of the year, as we try to duplicate Gods love and free gift to us by gifting of free gifts to others for a sharing of joy and love for them, OUR LOVED ONES.
God gave his LOVED ONES the perfect gift and all he had to give in his son and his son, Jesus, Yeshua, Christ.
Jesus also gave his perfect gift and all he could give by his death to redeem us all Freely if only we would accept that gift.
You see it's all about Jesus, Yeshua and his perfect gifts, we can accept them or reject them just as we do with the imperfect gifts we get freely from family or friends. It,s our choice and it does not change the facts that these gifts were given either by our accepting or rejecting of them.
Jesus is the Reason for the Season even if it's day is off, or we have a tree which free gifts to loved ones are placed under. It all reflects the Remembrance of Christ Jesus's Birth, Gods Perfect Gift to his beloved creation, humans.
So remember that even if you don't want to acknowledge Jesus as the Christ, if you participate in this Festival in any way with a tree or free gifts to others, you are in fact celebrating the Birth of Christ, Gods Perfect Gift to us, if we would only accept it freely, instead of complaining about what we have been given out of true love.

Have a Merry Christmas, Happy Holiday or Merry Nothing Day, to all of you as we ALL go foreward as Gods Beloved Creation of which we are all interrelated some how as we celebrate the love of God by remembrance of his sons birth.

Jerry Baty

cormit
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cormit 12/20/12 - 03:38 pm
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watchman

Your religious beliefs help you to be a better person and bring peace to your life. Good for you. That's what religious freedom is all about. Keep in mind .. just because it works for you doesn't make it true. People that don't share your religious view have not lost their way. You should think about that.

Freedom of religion ... freedom from religion .... same thing. One does not have to believe in God to be a good person and do good things.

You're the one that asked the question - "is there a war on Christmas"? No, there's no war .... never was. Only Christians want there to be one.

December 25th was not the birth of Jesus. It was however ..... a holiday that was celebrated long before Jesus time .... and much later adopted by Christians as their own. Fine. Go ahead and claim this holiday as if it were your own ... but, quit condemning people that celebrate it for different reasons that you .... it's just as much their holiday as it is yours.

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Norseman 12/20/12 - 08:17 pm
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well stated cormit.....

well stated cormit.....

Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 12/21/12 - 07:38 am
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Well stated cormit

I agree cormit it's not and thanks for the answer. Thats my point exactly and why do people do these things? By the way it's not my Holiday or Gods for that matter and as you said, Christ was not born on this day any how, as i also pointed out.
MY point is why do people adopt false things they know nothing about or why it is even celebrated by them when it is a lie straight from hell and then fight to maintain and protect these false feasts? My point is why can't we celebrate Christs birthday on the 3 Fall Feasts of God? As i said many times Christ was more than likely born on the Feast of Trumpets, the New Year for Jews and a New Beginning for all creation. I celebrated Christs birth back on Sept. 16/17, 2012, the Feast of Trumpets and Jewish New Years Day, also the day of Creation and other important days as well all inaccordance with Gods eternal will, not mankinds wants.
As you stated cormit, you discovered the Santa is a crock so you don't go there anymore.The thing is that Santa is a type or warped picture of the all knowing powerful God thus kids make a connection joining the two as one and this causes major troubles of unbelief, in santa or God.
My entire point of the question was why do we not research out the things we do or traditons we follow and practice. Example-a daughter was preparing the holiday ham and was about to slice the ham in half and place it in two pans. When her mom said i see you cook your ham like i always did, to which the daughter replied yes, but, why do we do that. Mom says because thats the way grandma always did it and it was always such a good tasty ham. They decided to ask grandma why they have to always cut the ham in half and bake it in two differant pans. Grandma replied, i don't know why you do that either, i did it because i didn't have a single pan big enough for the ham to fit in, so i cut it in half.
We do alot of things or think we are something like a christian or other religion because thats the way it's been done for a long time by the family, even though it may be stupid or wrong, we still do it unknowingly.

Don't you wish you could express your self as well as cormit or others there Norseman, besides just saying well stated, or i agree?

Have a Happy Nothing Day

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Raoulduke 12/21/12 - 05:50 am
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Freedom

All a person has to do to understand the fact of the bible matter Just perform a Google search on the Council of Nicea This is where MAN decided what the bible would contain

Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 12/21/12 - 08:10 am
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Personally

I think there is a mock war on christ-mas and it's designed to get Christians to fight for a holiday that has absolutely nothing to do with the birth of Christ. As i stated before it has always been a pagan holiday to the sun god and men from a church decided it was also a good day to celebrate the birth of Christ. If one would only read the accounts of the birth of Christ, of which are more than those of say Julius Ceasar, then they would know the truth about Christs planned birth, as well as his planned death, burial and resurrection. Hundreds of prophecies about Christs birth and death and the 7 Feasts of God all have to do exactly with Christs coming and the reasons for his coming.
First off the weather is to cold in Dec. for the sheperds to be out in fields, they would have been in stalls or mangers for the winter, but they were not.
Second, why was there no room in the inn? It was due to the commanded Fall Feasts where Jews were commanded to go to Jerusalem and what better way to take a census & tax Jews than when they were already going up to that area due to commands of God?
If there was some one who wanted to discredit Gods promises to his creation of a redeemer that would come from the seed of Eve, woman. Eves offspring, a manchild to save us all from the curse of Adams willful disobediance and bypass Adams genetics which carried the sin nature, then said person, creature would have other, or differant ways would he not?
Thus we do have a War on the actual birth of Christ, the redeemer and that war is to discredit Gods plan with alternant plans of many kinds.
Things are so twisted that it's hard to know whats what, and thats the rub, people just give up searching for truth or just go along with the crowd not really knowing whats going on.

As i have said before it's ok for you to believe what you want, just as it's ok for me to believe what i want, the question is are we really doing our research or just going along with the crowd and the massive deceit of many right ways. Common sence tells us that they can't all be right and that there is a right and a wrong in every choice we make.

Thanks for sharing thoughts and ideas on this subject and all others, as i love to debate ideas or beliefs or what ever and like the kid i am, i like to ask WHY? WHY? WHY? There are many answers to WHY? But, are the right answers for all?

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Watchman on the Wall 12/24/12 - 03:05 pm
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Good News, a New Birthday announced.

The Roman Catholic Patriarch of Jerusalem has announced that December 25th is the New Birth of the Palestinians State. Now isn't that wonderful the way they can just announce anythings Birthday and it must be considered as factual?
Good News, unto you a child is born this day in the city of David and he shall be the savior of all mankind as well as King of all Governments and his reign shall never cease. Luke 2: and it was not on Dec. 25th either if one would only study History.
Christ the Jewish baby boy was born and came to save all of mankind just as promised from eternity. He was born in Sept. on one of the 3 fall feasts that God commanded the Jews to continually observe for ever. These feasts all had to do with Jesus, Yeshua's coming to redeem all of mankind, Jews and Gentiles alike.
Christs was that Passover Lamb, Christ, the bread of life was buried without leaven during the feast of unleaven bread, Christ arose on the feast of First Fruits as an offering of the resurrection from the dead, Christ sent the Holy Spirit on Pentecost which was the joing of Jews and Gentiles into the salvation of God for all men, Christ will be crowned King and marry his Gentil bride, the church on Rosh Hashannah, feast of Trumpets, Christs will divide the sheep, good from the goats, evil on the feast of Yom Kippur, Day of atonement when someone has to pay for the sins commited, Christ will come and dwell here on earth and reign for 1000 yrs as earthly king of all on the feast of Tabernacles or Sukkot, booths. I believe that Christ was born on one of the 3 fall feasts, probably Trumpets, New Year or New Beginning or Sukkot, God with us here on earth.
These two were at the time when all Jews were required to be in Jerusalem for these feasts, not in the winter when it's to cold.
So if this is really about Jesus, where are all the lines to see him, instead of santa?
Now we are given yet another made up day of remembrance from Jerusalem by the same church that gave us Dec. 25th as Christs birthday and it's a lie straight from the same PIT that Dec. 25th is a Palestinians state is & now are both equal in wonderful events and times of celebration?
I think not and i ain't gonna pretend that either are for real or true.
When i was a child i did as a child for 50+ yrs in this santa, christ-mas junk, when i became a man and understood the truth i put aside the childish things and try not to go back to them and their lies as well as teach others the truth and ask why do we do what we do?
If you really want to celebrate the Good News of Christs Birth that was Salvation to ALL the earth, a Historic fact, then celebrate it in September on one of the 3 Fall feasts either one of them would be alot closer than dec 25th, thats what i did this year as well as the last 2, on Sept. 18th this yr.

Think about what really is going on and the continued lie that is being told and the falling away of kids as they get older and see these lies for what they are and want nothing to do with either santa or Christ, who are made to be one and the same.
God loves you and sent his son to save you as the Perfect Gift to his creation, if only you would accept it Freely and understand the real meaning of Christs Birthday, the GOOD NEWS.

7 DAYS TILL THE END OF THE CALENDAR!!

radiokenai
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radiokenai 12/25/12 - 09:42 am
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There is no war on Christmas...
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But there is obviously a war on Christ! Take the comments from seafarer, cormit, rauolpuke and norseman (Strikingly odd that they are all screaming obama loving liberals!)

What I say to them is simply this: "If you don't believe in God and Jesus Christ our Savior, you have that right. Then don't celebrate his birth! Hunker down at the bar and celebrate kwanzaa, halloween, solstice or whatever. God doesn't eliminate your fairy tale celebrations, stop trying to eliminate His Birthday for Heavens Sake!

The celebration of his life, and what he did for us, has been observed for over two thousand years and one day we will all have to answer to our deeds. When you stand before God and try to explain your actions on Earth, may you remember this comment?

Oh ya, and MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Watchman on the Wall 12/26/12 - 02:29 pm
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Praise Santa it's over

Merry December 26th and Praise Santa Claus for his one and only day of showering his wonderful gifts on many, not all of mankind, but, just a select few obediant shoppers which paid hommage to him at the Malls. We now have 365 days till he returns and blesses a select few with gifts that will only last for a few hrs, weeks, months or maybe yrs, instead of eternity. Our wonderful Santa Claus spread joy and goodwill almost everywhere at his coming thanks to all the worshippers of his that actually did all the work and paid for all the gifts which cost him nothing, not even a singe second of his time that has brought about this massive display or unbridled worship. OH, how i could go on for much time in sharing the wonderfulness of our Blessed Santa Claus at his once a year appearing, or did he even appear? At any rate have a MERRY DECEMBER 26TH, and get ready the END is near for our calendar, in 5 days now, so prepare for the future of 2013 and the Glorious reappearing again of Santa Claus in 365 days. But don't call out to him at any other time because he will be to buzy doing nothing to answer your cries for anything. And hopefully none of you have used Santa Claus's name in vain because he messed up and didn't bring you what you wanted. But really, how could he know what you wanted?

MERRY DECEMBER 26 AND ALSO 27TH WHILE I'M AT IT, AS IT'S SUCH A WONDERFUL TIME OF YEAR THANKS TO OLD SANTA CLAUS THE GIVER OF GIFTS UNTO MANKIND, SOME OF THEM THAT IS.

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