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A different approach to reducing the debt

Posted: December 16, 2012 - 3:17pm  |  Updated: December 17, 2012 - 9:54am

Let’s help the federal government, with the debt problem. Seventy percent of Alaska is owned by the federal government. At a recent town hall meeting, State Senator Cathy Giessel stated, if Alaska was a sovereign nation we would be tenth in the world in our natural resources. A Washington Post reporter suggested the federal government sell Alaska (Dec. 14, To Solve Our Debt Problems, Let’s Sell Alaska).

I am sure China would be interested in purchasing Alaska. More gold left in the ground than has been taken out. Untold mineral resources. Fish to feed their growing population.

Perhaps the people in Alaska should purchase our freedom. We have 42 billion in our permanent fund. Good down payment. We would then have access to the rest of our natural resources and could make payments. Freedom is never free. Let Alaskans purchase our land from the federal government and become one of the richest nations on the planet.

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Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 12/17/12 - 01:41 pm
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Become OUR own Nation

I ain't selling Alaska to Russia, China or anyone and i ain't even gonna stand around and do nothing if they try to take it back or away from us.
I agree though that maybe we should help the Govt. out with their SPENDING problem and we Alaskans could do that by becoming OUR OWN Nation. As a "REGISTERED VOTER THAT VOTES" there fore i deserve to be heard, i say lets do exactly that. Be OUR OWN Nation of Alaska. We are already a functioning REPUBLIC, so whats stopping us?

RaySouthwell
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RaySouthwell 12/17/12 - 09:57 pm
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Watchman on the Wall

Just curious. How do you think Russia or China would treat us differently than our current federal government. Do you think they would control more of our land and have worse restrictions on accessing our natural resources, than the Feds?

leewaytooo
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leewaytooo 12/18/12 - 05:17 am
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first they would take your

first they would take your guns, send you to a re-education
camp for the remainder of your lives.

they would have alaska polluted just like their own
lands.

they would take away your access to the internet (which
would be a good thing, in regards to the bed bug and the
psychotic).

just imagine... china rolls up the north road and the
p and b are out there hiding behind their words with
their bush masters lying on the ground, pointing down
the road, saying "the really bad guys are that way, can we
help"?????

Norseman
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Norseman 12/18/12 - 07:47 am
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That ideaology is equal to

That ideaology is equal to selling your kids to get out of debt. Anyone who thinks my homeland is up for sale needs to go back to whatever state they came from.

Ray and norm are constantly espousing secessionists hopes. The militias agenda is constantly trying to start some form of revolt against our government.

The term, "UNITED STATES OF AMERICA" have great meaning to the vast majority of Patriotic Americans. Anyone who thinks of splitting our country up is a traitor as far as I am concerned.

Ray, you can sell your own property to get out of debt, but your never gonna sell our country.

Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 12/18/12 - 10:28 am
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Norseman Reread the article

Ray, nor Norm either one said to sell Alaska. Ray pointed out that a reporter suggested doing so to bail out America, the lower 48. As i'm often told when wanting things from the United States by differant companies down there is we don't ship out of the US or over seas. I have had people tell me that Alaska is an Island out there like Hawaii. The point is the Govt. could care less about anyone in Alaska, Hawaii or the 48 DIVIDED, i mean United States and is intentionally spending us into a hole that we will never escape due to their socialist agenda of total control of the citizens.
I for one wish we could become our own foriegn country as many down under already think we are, but thats just me and my sickup & feed attitude against control freaks. Make no mistake folks we need control of many differant things, but we don't need stupid doing the controling either, nor big money helping them to line their own pockets. We would be better off if we were a foriegn nation, just look at everyone we support now as we rapidly sink into the sea of debt to nevernever land as a usetobe soverign free people.

RaySouthwell
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RaySouthwell 12/18/12 - 11:02 am
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Leewaytoo

I think I am hearing about a “gun problem” here in the USA.

Like China and Russia, the majority in the USA, believe violence is the result of guns. I don’t think Alaskans will turn their guns over to the Feds, China or Russia.

Pollution is an issue. I find most Alaskans believe in balance, on the development of our resources. In 1976, the Alaskan legislature mandated double hull tankers to transport our oil. The Feds, like China and Russia, look at what is best for the corporation. The Feds refused to mandate double hulls (Federal employees of the Supreme Court agreed.) until after the Exxon-Valdez oil spill. I don’t think there is much environmental concerns at the federal level. After all, the 535 federal legislators have an average net worth of $7.3 million. They are well paid, by the corporations, to look out for their best interest.

Concerning the internet, the Feds monitor it and will soon shut it down because the majority, in our Democracy, think like Norseman.

RaySouthwell
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RaySouthwell 12/18/12 - 11:07 am
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Norseman

Good point. You think like the majority in our nation. The States and people are just children of daddy federal government. I think the opposite, the federal government was created by the people through the States. We the people are the parents of the federal government.

Everything will be OK, according to you, daddy government will take good care of us.

China is the number 1 manufacturing nation on the planet. They are evolving to have their currency (Yuan, Renminbi) backed by gold. They are turning the dollars we send them to gold.

The only thing uniting the USA, is the almighty buck. The dollar is backed by the “good faith and credit” of the people of the USA. When China announces their currency will be backed by gold, what will happen to the US dollar?

What reserve currency will the world want? One backed by gold or one backed on good faith and credit.

It will be a game changer when the US dollar is no longer the worlds reserve currency. Is Alaska ready?

RaySouthwell
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RaySouthwell 12/18/12 - 11:23 am
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Watchman on the Wall

Thank you for attempting to bring Norseman back to topic.

Socialism is not the problem. We have forgotten the fundamental basis of our government, Checks and Balances. The Federal government has complete control.

States are attempting to put a check on the Feds with Nullification through the tenth Amendment.

A large minority are arming themselves as the Second Amendment is the final check on totalitarian government. Our founders understood the nature of government.

With the destruction of our dollar as the worlds reserve currency will come the disintegration of the USA. Much like what happened to the Soviet Union when their economy collapsed. Alaska will be thrown into Independence when the dollar is destroyed. Are we ready?

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robert white 12/18/12 - 11:31 am
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selling Alaska

Must be in NR water...

Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 12/18/12 - 08:29 pm
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James 5;

I have always liked James 5:1-6, it talks about the rich stocking up gold & silver for hard times that are coming and how they put the screws to little people while doing so. Read it and learn what good your precious gold or silver will do when Gods appointed End Times come.
There is a Global Revolution coming and UNION MEMBERS are the only survivers for this natural life according to Revelation 13:16-18, the thing is that every Union member will lose his eternal life due to his Unionship.
They have a plan and God has given us their plans, as well as his end game of what shall be, so we can prepare and escape the wrath of the Evil one that is cast down in Revelation 12:12 and Gods wrath against ALL Union Members of this 7 year time period which is almost here to End the Age.
Material things will avail not when Hell comes down and brings Death and total Distruction with it. There will be no Soverign or Free nation or states real soon, so stock up while you can because RASHA is coming to town.
Some will prepare, others will laugh and say "fear not it's all gonna be ok", all up until that day when they that had prepared entered the Ark of Gods protection Plan prior to Judgment Day.
I have an Obligatory responcibility to warn people of whats coming. Praise God i don't have to do it for 120 years like Noah did and the Floods came up and down. Then it will be to late to say oh no, that nutjob WOTW was right just like Noah was. Not to popular with this message, but history reveals that no one that stands for God ever was in this life.

Luvflyfishing
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Luvflyfishing 12/18/12 - 08:05 pm
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Watchman on the wall: Great

Watchman on the wall:
Great comments. Love reading your posts.
Very inspiring.

Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 12/18/12 - 08:44 pm
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Thanks Luv

I have an Obligatory mandate to warn people of whats coming and how to prepare for it's arrival. This friday 12-21-12 is not the End of the World, but, possibly the End of an Age or dispensation of time is what they were pointing towards. Jesus was what shall be the SIGNS of the End of the Age when your about to return to set up the Kingdom on earth? The Question and answers are given in Matthew 24;-25;, Mark 12;, Luke 21;. America is not mentioned for the End of the Age nations, but, many modern nations are mentioned and Ezekile 36;-39; along with Isaiah 17; give us insight of whats about to happen to all those nations that go against Regathered Israel. I think Isaiah 17; the total distruction of Damascus, Syria is what ushers in Ezekiel 38;-39; distruction of Iran, Russia, Etheopia, Sudan, Libia and other enemies of Regathered Israel. No America for some reason, but, all these other nations, i wonder why? Hang on that OWO UNION is coming soon as well as that serphant which comes down that Mayan temple steps back to earth from above just as Revelation 12:12 says. I wonder how they knew?
Many deceivers are come to deceive and mislead the many into believeing a lie of everythings all right, don't worry or prepare or listen to these nutjobs warnings of coming troubles.
Two types of Obligatory goals, one for moral good, one for immoral evil. So who ya gonna listen to as we see the End approaching? Buy eternal gold, rather than earthly gold that will be useless real soon.

RaySouthwell
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RaySouthwell 12/19/12 - 09:09 am
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Watchman on the Wall

Every Christian generation has believed they were were in the last days, since the question was asked by Christs disciples. (Matthew 24).

In the 60’s and 70’s I studied all I could read about this idea. The book “The Late Great, Planet Earth” caused dialog among the Christian community. Evangelist Jack Van Impe spoke about Biblical prophecy, close to where I lived. I studied his works.

By the 90’s I realized I spent too much time attempting to determine Christs return. Empires come and go, based on the principle of sowing and reaping. The USA is experiencing economic disintegration and increasing violence because of this principle. We love for money more than our neighbors.

Norseman
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Norseman 12/19/12 - 03:43 pm
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Buying our freedom? Our

Buying our freedom? Our freedom has been bought by our military men and women who have given their lives, limbs, and blood. They didn't die for just the state they were born in, but for all 50 states.

The United States of America is made up of 50 states. No way, no how, not never, will you, your milita ever split nor divide this country.

If you feel so oppressed then go start your own colony somewhere. If it is in Nikisiki, then get your act together and form your own lil city. A good name would be Militiaiski. That way you can govern your militia sheeple as you see fit. In fact, there are islands in the Aleutians that you guys could colonize and start your own country/government. I'll donate $100 for relocation expenses.

RaySouthwell
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RaySouthwell 12/19/12 - 05:30 pm
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Norseman

Thanks for the donation. What will split the country, is the destruction of the almighty dollar. I am the third of four continuous generations that served our nation in time of war. My Daughter-in-law served 20 years and my son-in-law is a Navy pilot. What I did not realize was, we were fighting to maintain our empire over the last 50 years. In Vietnam we were “fighting the spread of communism.” We lost and now trade freely with Vietnam. We have not been fighting for freedom these last 50 years but for monetary hegemony. On the surface we win. In the end we lose and our monetary system will fail. The good news is the militia will pick up the pieces and restore the Republic of Alaska. Can you imagine, Republic of Alaska-has a good sound, to it, when I say it out-loud.

Norseman
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Norseman 12/19/12 - 09:43 pm
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Your militia is classified as

Your militia is classified as a domestic extremist group by our FBI.

Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 12/19/12 - 10:02 pm
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Which FBI?

The Good FBI guys or the Bad FBI Guys? You do know that there are each right? Kind of like military, some Good some Bad, militia guys, some Good, some Bad, Police, some Good, some Bad, this could go on forever this Good, Bad thingy.
The thing is unless i miss read the article is that some reporter wants the USA Govt. to sell Alaska to pay the national debt, is it not? This post has nothing to do with the FBI, Militia or anything else. I will say this though we just celebrated the anniversary of the first militia of America some 300+ yrs ago.
OH! OH! The last few days at Sportsmans warehouse they have sold AR15's and other rifles and handguns NONSTOP, i wonder if these people are getting ready for some sort of MILITIA? These Evil citizens ALL of the 49th state, preparing.
America is going down just as was proclaimed by the prophets of BO, the messiah and chosen one to lead us into the New OWO. Stock up on everything and form comfort groups that can be trusted and good luck finding one of those there Norseman.
Troubles coming and America must fall for that New Hope and Fundamental Change to believe in for a Global Citizenry which BO claims to be one of, not American, but, a Global Citizen, his words, not mine. WORLD ORDER, WORLD BANK, WORLD EVERYTHING, NOTHING SOVERIGN OR FREE ALLOWED IN THIS WORLD UNION.
They can sell Alaska if they want to, but, the taking posession of it after the sale is another, now ain't it?

Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 12/19/12 - 10:21 pm
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If History serves me right

Wasn't the majority of those that fought against the British in the citizens Militia? So who fought for our Freedom? It was the Citizenry militia of common people, Militia of everyday common people that fought against forces that would take our Freedoms if allowed, both Foreign and Domestic.
Since the Revolution we have had our Freedoms fought for in WWI, WWII and Korea and Militia here at home protected us as well. Sorry to say that since Korea, it has been a fight for monetary purposes only and nothing has been done for other than kill our fellow Americans and make the rich richer and make those that hate us hate us more in the guiese of Freedoms fight. When we supply all the enemies that our military is fighting with money and weapons non stop to be used against us, then it's a bunch of bs and nothing more than the planned killing of Americans for money.
We pay people money and supply them with weapons to kill us with, so the rich can get richer. It's nothing to do with Freedom or Democracy, if it did then we would be fighting against the Arabs who are worse than any of the other nations we are seeking to control and destroy.
It's all about the Benjamins.

RaySouthwell
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RaySouthwell 12/20/12 - 06:15 am
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Norseman

Wow, where did you read such a thing. Must be off the Internet or from a hate group. Only link I could find was concerning Homeland Security.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_Extremism_Lexicon

Of course we know the FBI has a long history of monitoring those who question or object to governments behavior. I do know I have been on their watch list since 1994. Imagine that, you have been paying the FBI to watch me for near 20 years. Too bad they did not monitor the banks closer, to find their money laundering schemes for the drug cartels.

RaySouthwell
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RaySouthwell 12/20/12 - 06:25 am
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Norseman

BTW, Watchman is correct. Governments behavior is driving gun sales through the roof, again. Black Dog Firearms (Soldotna) recently sold one of their remaining guns to a friend of mine.

As I understand it, he sold out all his 30 round clips in the last few days. These clips use to sell for $10.00 now sell for $50.The federal government’s phone was jammed with callers for background checks. Took forever to get the governments blessing to purchase. It is not the majority in our Democracy purchasing these firearms but a large minority called the militia.

Many in Alaska recognize our federal government cannot be trusted. Alaskans are ready to pick up the pieces, when the dollar is no longer the Reserve Currency of the world.

RaySouthwell
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RaySouthwell 12/20/12 - 06:30 am
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Merry Christmas Norseman. I

Merry Christmas Norseman. I wish you and your family well. Just wake up and look around you. The sky is falling. I trust my neighbors more than the federal government, you should do the same.

Norseman
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Norseman 12/20/12 - 07:18 am
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I trust my neighbors too,

I trust my neighbors too, thankfully you are not among them. If the day ever comes when you guys cross the line and begin your rampage, you will not have enough guns, ammo, or courage to stand up to our military.

Fortunately the FBI keeps a close eye on the miltia and I for one appreciate the fine job they are doing.

The sky isn't falling. You guys have been preaching that hate and fear tactic for 20's years to try and get recruits. What you do get are whackjobs who'd follow jim jones if he was alive.

You will be greatly surprised to realize that 99% of Alaskans have zero to do with the militia and think just like I do. As I have stated many times, you and norm are on the wrong side of history.
Happy Holidays........

did you guys send stephen cox a xmas card while he is staying as a guest at the fairbanks correctional center?

RaySouthwell
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RaySouthwell 12/20/12 - 07:57 am
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Norseman

Some people see things more clearly than others.

Ever heard of Oath Keepers?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_Keepers
I know, just another domestic extremist group.

What do you hope the feds will do with the fiscal cliff? Raise taxes or Austerity? Or should we just print more dollars?

RaySouthwell
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RaySouthwell 12/20/12 - 08:14 am
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Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 12/20/12 - 08:20 am
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Enough guts

Your right Norseman if our military is like that of say Syria, or other nations that use their massive firepower against their own citizens, then those that fight for our freedoms will not be able to stand up. But, they will have enough guts to do so and just maybe some of those serving us now that are of Good Moral character and have taken that oath to defend and do no harm against fellow Americnas will stand down.
Remember STAND DOWN Norseman, that was the order given on BENGHAZI, remember BENGHAZI?
The point is that ALL of America has been infiltrated with those that hate our nation and our freedoms at EVERY LEVEL of Public Service, BAD mixed in with GOOD.
Only an idiot would look around and not listen to the words and see the actions of Govts. Globally all leaning towards a OWO. The Bible says it's coming, all News Headlines scream out OWO continuosly and we are supposed to listen to you and not prepare. We can prepare to fail, or fail to prepare!
There are GOOD & BAD in every brance of service and Government at every level, as well as militia, Religious, Boy Scouts and ALL groups. Are they ALL GOOD or ALL BAD? NO, they are not and it's not the GOOD that people need to worry or prepare for either.
Make no mistake Americans will fight for their freedoms and rights to bare arms and when the Domestic threat comes against those rights it will cause more blood shead than a few nut jobs seeking fame and media glory have ever caused.
Do you really think that all these people stocking up on weapons and ammo are BAD by chance? No, they are not, but, they can see the BAD at work and realize that that BAD can & will remove every Freedom we have if allowed to do so.
You will be AMAZED to know that 99% of ALL AMERICANS have nothing to do with the Militia. YET THAT IS.
As i said many have snuck in unaware and seek to take our nation down for their Socialist, Communist, Nazi, Humanist or many other reasons and they are every where in OUR Nation and State and even here on the Kenai and some even blog on the Clarion possibly. There goal is to destroy America and they will not stop, never in their Evil desires for Absolute Control of All the World.
Nope most Americans are not militia, but, it sure looks like they are preparing to be in order to keep America from being sold down the tubes to OWO advocates who desire a Global Citizenry one for all UNION.
If i was a guesser i would say that many Americans GOOD ones, that is are preparing to stop nutjobs that seek to kill & destroy others, BAD fellow Americans or foriegners as well.
I could be wrong and i really hope i am, but, common sence of reality and whats being said and done says i'm not.
There are those that warn others to prepare. There are those that discredit those warnings to prepare. One or the other will be right, it's always just a matter of time, always.
WHAT HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE, SHALL BE DONE AGAIN.

Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 12/20/12 - 08:36 am
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Ray

I heard this from someone that thinks he has all the answers and everyone else that gives Ideas or warning of coming troubles which differ from theirs ar all classed as Religious freaks, nutjobs, or chicken little Govt. hating militia.

"It does no good to argue with and Idiot when he is talking, as he will only drag you down to his level & use experiance against you". (paraphrased)

Mark Twain

OOPS! I may have been dragged down to a differant level here in this argument. But, not for long, as my experance shows thats not a GOOD place to be for extended periods of time, as it will cause you to become haters of all, rather than Helpers of all.

Keep your powder dry and your bayonets sharp.

RaySouthwell
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RaySouthwell 12/20/12 - 08:43 am
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Watchman

We currently are under a One World Order (OWO). It is based on an economic system controlled by the Central Banks with the dollar at its center. Our Constitution was the key to establishing checks and balances and keeping the banks under control. More people are understanding our Constitution.

Here is a Press Conference from yesterday where Congressman Charles Rangel and Walter Jones are talking about Constitutional restraints on our President, concerning wars.

http://larouchepac.com/jonespress2

Obfuscate
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Obfuscate 12/20/12 - 03:00 pm
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Humorous

I find it quite humorous that Norseman feigns patriotism.

Or maybe it is real patriotism - but only in the area(s) that he chooses.

"Our freedom has been bought by our military men and women who have given their lives, limbs, and blood. They didn't die for just the state they were born in, but for all 50 states" - And they didn't die for just the portion of freedoms that you agree with, but for all freedoms.

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beaverlooper 12/20/12 - 03:53 pm
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AS 26.05.010. Alaska Militia Established

Looks to me like if you are over 42 years old you are not qualified to be in a militia in this state.

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