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Time for GOP to wake up from dream

Posted: December 28, 2012 - 9:39am

Ever see the movie, “Field of Dreams”? It’s about an Iowa corn farmer who hears voices telling him to build a baseball diamond in the middle of his corn field and the ghosts of Chicago White Sox players would come to play. In the movie, he built the field and they came.

It was a good movie, but none the less, fiction.

It appears the rationale behind the movie has become reality in the present day Republican party. Its members in Congress refuse to pass a budget using the excuse increased taxes for the rich will deter economic development. Yet, the Bush tax cuts have been in existence for over a decade and the economy tanked during that period.

The philosophy appears to be predominant throughout the GOP since Governor Parnell wants to implement large, immediate tax cuts for the oil companies without commitment to increased production.

Republicans were admittedly shocked when Obama was reelected. They said they were going to meet and readdress their party’s direction to get more in line with mainstream America. If this happens, perhaps they should place more emphasis on the “Joe the Plumber” group than the “Midas” clan.

A Field of Dreams? It’s time to wake up.

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akmscott
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akmscott 12/30/12 - 08:30 am
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Obama is the person who wants

Obama is the person who wants the economy to swirl down the toilet!Then he can start his vision of a socialist America that is completely run and controlled by his huge bloated government!Everyone's paycheck goes to Obama and he distributes it as he sees fit.It will be paradise!

Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 12/30/12 - 09:53 am
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Whose Messiah?

Lets please recap the last TWO Presidential elections shall we?
If HISTORY serves me correct, and HISTORY usually does so if one would research it, the n it is the Democrates that proclaimed that in the Field of Dreams Obama was the Choosen One and ALL the Youth would follow him. Obama was hearlded as the ONE that would usher about A FUNDAMENTAL CHANGE AND A NEW HOPE TO BELIEVE IN. All of which implies a reversal of direction America was going in.
I agree it is time the GOP wake up and start preparing for that Fundamental change to believe in which is the TOTAL DISTRUCTION of our nation after the Constitution is made null & void due to intentional revolt or civil unrest here in America after the economic crash hits, also planned fundamental change.
The ABOMINATION, OBAMANATION OF DESOLATION, has just about GOT-R-DONE, their planned false messiah with his hopeless Field of Dreams and makebelieve. Our nation cannot survive from everyone getting free stuff and not having to work for it because it will be taken from those that do work and taxed more. If you want to talk about it being a TIME TO WAKE UP FROM A FIELD OF DREAMS, TRY THE ONE 50%+ WHO FOLLOW BO OFF THE CLIFF ARE HAVING.
Out of FAIRNESS i will say that i see no differance between either party and that all started under Bush Sr and really got going under Bush Jr when the intentional planned and known about before hand 911 attack happened. I see no differance in the MAJORITY of elected officials desire for a OWO coming from EITHER PARTY.
What i see is a TOTAL NIGHTMARE for ALL the WORLD especially ALL that really Believed the Obama is the Messiah and can provide them any sustainable hope or change to believe in. OBAMA IS A FALSE PROPHET and his followers are like small children that will believe almost everything they are told while following this Pied Piper off the Cliff to total ruin, dragging all the rest along.
So just ecactly which party is pushing their FIELD OF DREAMS with Obama as their Hero?

robert white
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robert white 12/30/12 - 05:08 pm
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downsize

With all the uncertainty and new taxes coming around the corner I have decided to cut my staff. anyone looking for a couple of Obama supporters?

Norseman
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Norseman 12/30/12 - 06:12 pm
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Put the blame where it

Put the blame where it belongs. Right smack dab on the congress and senate. This congress has had the lowest approval ratings since they began to track them.

The republicans wish to protect the millionaires taxes because they are the ones that donate huge sums of money to the superpacs and lobbyists. In the meantime the majority of us middle class working folk can pony up the rest of the taxes.
Only solution is for me to become a millionaire this year. At least the 1-2% of the population who are rich, get the bene's....

Sam Von Pufendorf
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Sam Von Pufendorf 12/30/12 - 07:27 pm
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The 112th congress had 1126

The 112th congress had 1126 votes. 107 bills passed, 46 of those bills named public buildings, federal thorough ways and other such BS. Then we got into the real meat of this congress ... transferring land from one Federal agency to another. That consumed 21 bills. And they did much of this on overtime! That's right, they worked 19 days more than required by law and by the time the congress ends on 1/3 they could very well have worked 25 days more than a standard congress. Of course we have to pay them per diem to produce nothing more than paperwork! The only bill they passed with any social or economic impact was to raise the minimum wage!
This truly is the "know nothing, no nothing congress"

Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 12/31/12 - 09:40 am
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112 Popes

Funny how this 112th congress is bringing in the last congress possibly in 2013. The Catholics are looking for their 112th Pope, the very last Pope that will bring in the End of the catholic church according to St. Malachy and his predictions made in 1139 while on a pilgrimage to the Vatican in Rome. go to the internet and type in St. Malachy for a little knowledge of whats about to happen with this 111th pope and his soon departure and the election of Pope Peter of Rome, the LAST Pope, who will usher in the Antichrist and his one world religion and govt. of UNION ONE.
Seems like that number 112 is a signal for the END and please explain to me who is dreaming in this Nightmare situation from many sorces that say this could be the END TIMES.
I think it's more than the Elephants and the Donkeys that need to wake up from their dreaming of a wonderful world order of MEN, it ain't gonna happen, never has, never will.
Millionair or not it will not help you one bit when you stand before the JUDGE and try to make it in on your merrits, good works. All of you who don't know Jesus as Lord need to wake up, please do it very soon i pray.
The politicians are working together for the desired END TIMES UNION ONE, not all of them, but, just enough to GET-R-DONE WITH BO'S PUSHING.

Sam Von Pufendorf
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Sam Von Pufendorf 12/30/12 - 11:31 pm
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I'll bite WoW. There have been 267 Popes. This is it! The last day you will take me off topic! It sounds like a lot of "Malachy" to me.

JOAT
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JOAT 12/31/12 - 01:35 am
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Dumb Democrats

Amazing! The Democrats are standing there in a "field of dreams", but instead of playing ball, they just point fingers at everyone else in a feeble attempt to shift blame.

The Democrats have controlled the Senate for the last 6 years. They have no excuses.

The House was controlled by the Democrats for 4 years and the Republicans took over just 2 years ago. The Republicans have repeatedly brought forth these budget issues, but have been consistently blocked by the Democrats. Yet they blame the Republicans? Give me a break.

What amazes me to no end about the shortsightedness of Democrats is when you guys sit there and claim that the only way we can solve our government's problems is to steal more money from all the rich people. The rich people are already paying 90% of the bill, but you guys want to raise their taxes even higher.

Yet with the other hand, you guys are spending money like drunken sailors on liberty. Spend, spend, spend on feathers, lace, and frilly garbage that the government has absolutely no business being involved in.

So, the Republicans have even offered slight adjustments to tax rates in certain classes if you guys would just stop throwing away all the money. But no, the Democrats block the budget every single time. No offer of reduced spending, but demands for raising everyone's taxes.

Even if you tax everyone, everything we own, there is still not enough money to pay for the checks you guys are writing. STOP SPENDING MONEY!!!

motely
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motely 12/31/12 - 04:21 am
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THE END

THIS IS A HOT ONE !!!!!!!!

leewaytooo
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leewaytooo 12/31/12 - 04:40 am
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there was only 5 mths during

there was only 5 mths during the 111th congress that the
democrats held a filibuster proof control over the senate;
two of those 5 mths the senate was in recess.

so anyone that says the senate was controlled by the
democrats for the last 6 yrs is just another repuke
liar.

two of the four yrs in the house, bush was still president.

so if the repukes were ever to start being truthful, they
might have a better chance at garnering votes.

if it were not for repuke state legislatures gerrymandering
the house would not be controlled by repukes; for nation
wide democrats received more votes for their congressional
candidates than the repukes.

Repukes had the presidency, the House, and the Senate from 2001 – 2007.

For six years, Repukes had total and complete and undeniably absolute control over everything.

And how did that work out ?

try to tell the truth, and maybe we can get somewhere
other than this hole that repukes dug for everyone except
for their 1 per-centers.....

JOAT
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JOAT 12/31/12 - 05:35 am
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So many lies on the left

Lee, you've been so brainwashed by the liberal lie that you can't tell fiction from reality. You can try to make all the excuses you want, but the Senate has been a Democratic majority for the last 6 years straight. That is not a lie and even you could look this up in official historical records.

The "filibuster" argument is such a lame excuse as to be laughable. When you make such a claim, all you’re doing is admitting that the Democrats are incapable of finding common ground and must have super majority control to ram their agenda down our throats. Thank God we have the Republicans to hold the line.

Thank you for bringing up the fact that during the last couple years of Bush's presidency, it was actually the Democrats in total control of Congress. They ran us into recession and then blamed it all on Bush. Yet the president has nuttin' to do with the money, honey.

Thank GOD that we had Republican leadership from 1995 through 2007. We'd be in a horrendous state if we hadn't. Look how fast the Democrats have run us to the brink of disaster since then.

That aside, you're lying or grossly misinformed yet again because we didn't have "complete and absolute control" over anything. Remember that filibuster stuff you were talking about? Doesn't that go both ways, or are you really that one-sided and closed-minded?

BTW, I'd like you to look up the Congressional record of who had control of the Senate from 2001-2003, seeing as how you have stated that it was Republicans, but you're wrong. So, who's the liar?

Put down the Kool-Aid and educate yourself. Please.

Sam Von Pufendorf
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Sam Von Pufendorf 12/31/12 - 06:33 am
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Leewaytooo & JOAT

You two should run for congress! You'd fit right in. In your posts I see blame, but no solutions. You're perfect for this congress!

BigRedDog
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BigRedDog 12/31/12 - 06:45 am
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Same do Nothing right

We are all to blame for the incredible mess we have allowed our elected officials to make of our public representaion. Be it Dems or Repukes we have continued to elect, reelect, and re re re relect officials who are more concerned about their party's goals than where they are streering our Nation. We have all prospered by the huge amounts of pork lavished on Alaska via Uncle Ted, Big Daddy Murk, and now Sweet Baby Murk, not to mention Don Young's many accomplishments. We have rewarded them year after year after year with votes for doing just what has put us at this Fiscal Cliff. So bicker about it if you think one party has been more harmful than the other and for every example you find going one way there are many going the other. Point is our National interest have been rediculously mismanaged, and for some reason all those in Government think we can tax or spend our way one step back from the Fiscal Cliff we are staring down right now.
The best time to look back is just before you do something stupid, but that precarious step has allready been made to the point of wearing a path. It's like those footsteps in the trail of rock made by the many eons of bear walking over a mountain. I have seen them on Afognak and found once walking in these footprints it was an easier climb. These trails are all fun and so cool until you look up and see what made the trail wondering just what the heck your doing on His trail. Thats where we are now, that old bear is standing there looking for a sign of weekness; so you think you can outrun your fate. The best time to look back is when?

JOAT
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JOAT 12/31/12 - 07:19 am
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Solutions were not asked for

SVP... they are not asking for solutions. They are demanding that Republicans roll over and do it their way... or nothing at all. That's the problem and has always been the problem. Democrats are completely closed minded and selfish. For whatever reason (mental illness, miswired brain, state programming?), they are incapable of compromise. As long as Democrats remain the party of "no deal", then I'm glad to have the Republicans exhibit some spine and say, "no more".

Unfortunately, I predict that there will be a last minute "cave in" by the Republicans today and we'll take out yet another credit card to run up some more bills while increasing every one's taxes... effective tomorrow.

Oh yeah, just one more thing SVP... You made 3 posts. All blame. No solutions. What gives?

Sam Von Pufendorf
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Sam Von Pufendorf 12/31/12 - 09:38 am
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Blame and Solutions

Yes JOAT, I have placed blame! SQUARELY ON THE "NO NOTHING, KNOW NOTHING CONGRESS" playing politics for political advantage.
I have offered a solution, unfortunately, not in this particular blog.
First, tax cuts historically have had little effect on the economy, but have impacted Federal revenue. The Bush era tax cuts were never meant to be permanent. That is why those tax cuts are scheduled to expire tomorrow. There were a series of tax cuts (three) imposed by G.W. Bush and were renewed by Obama because there was no consensus on a budget. That is when the (not so) Super Committee or National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform was placed to come to a compromise. That commission, otherwise known as Simpson Bowles, made several compromises between the parties. Both sides agreed the pain would be felt across the board. The United States has been on a thirty year binge and both parties understand that the resulting hangover would be felt by all. The knew that there would be no feel good painless remedy to the mess we have put ourselves in.
The intent of the NCFRR was to be able to bring a plan to both houses of congress and have it pass. There would be no amendments or back room deals. It was simple... YES or NO. All that was needed to bring it to congress was 14 of 18 votes in committee. Ironically, it looked as though it was going to pass committee with 15 votes. But a last minute spear head effort by Paul Ryan killed it in committee. Four Democrats and three Republicans killed it and it never made it to a vote of congress. What makes it even more ironic is that Mitt Romney actually supported the measures as a reasonable compromise.
Tax increases on the wealthy ... The Republicans say this will kill job creation, the Democrats say they won't. In reality, there is little supportive data that reduced personal income tax creates more jobs. Corporate tax on the other hand does! Democrats and Republicans both want to lower corporate tax rates. Democrats want to allow the temporary Bush tax cuts expire on 23% of all income earning Americans. That number would have been 31% prior to the tax cuts.
Your guess is that the Republicans will cave and an agreement will be had. My guess is that congress will do what they have done for the past 16 years ... they will vote for a temporary measure to put a band aid on a hemorrhage. As they have done previously, they will leave the larger problem for the next congress. My solution: Implement Simpson Bowles. It fairly balances budgetary cuts to social programs at the same time increases tax revenue for future spending on infrastructure and discretionary spending which is phased in over four years.
Tax cuts: The Bush era tax cuts resulted in surprisingly small job gains when compared to other two term presidents who used no such tax cuts. Some point to the Kennedy era tax cuts as proof that such tax cuts work. People seem to forget that JFK cut the tax rate on the top incomes from 91% to 70%. Again, that affected the top 2% of all income earners. He also reduced the corporate tax rate from 52 to 48%. However, the tax reform act also taxed those of lower incomes and gave healthy breaks for corporate investment in US factories and business. We need such breaks again to stimulate job creation and investment opportunity. The above tax reform was the first major reform deal since WWII. This was peace time tax reform.
The bottom line is, any solution will hit all Americans rich and poor! We all had a hand in this and we all must share in the solution. We must both raise revenue and cut spending. Both are needed at this point as we have postponed a true solution for the past 30 years.

Articles and sources for effects of tax cuts:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/07/17/the-truth-about-the-bus...

http://www.census.gov/prod/2012pubs/acsbr11-02.pdf

http://cbo.gov/search/apachesolr_search?keys=Effects+of+Tax+cuts&op=search

http://www.econdataus.com/taxcuts.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenue_Act_of_1964

"Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule - and both commonly succeed, and are right."
-H.L. Menken-

Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 12/31/12 - 10:02 am
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GR8 Divider in Chief

Do any of you really think it's gonna make a hill of beans to which part we belong to when America is stripped of our constitutional rights as a Soveriegn Free people and ushered into their desired UNION ONE? As i have said before, America will have a Civil War or Revotution due to their desires to do away with our freedoms and BO was hearlded as the one to get-r-done. Not my words, but theirs, the DEMOCRATES WORDS. As i have also said before i am a Demopublican, i have always voted for the person that i thought was best suited or in line with my wants, i of course did vote straight democrate for a while due to UNION pressure to do so, until i finally saw the BS at the end of the tunnle of making everyone equal, even the do nothing leaches.
SVP
i was mearly stating the simblance between the 112 congress and the Popes that would come to power after St. Malachy documented his vision of 112 more Popes would come to power and then the END. Not try to get off topic, just pointing out a number and how this might also be the Last Congress for a FREE America.
Make no mistake folks when the Loving folks from the middle east set off their desired conversion plan of killing every American, they ain't gonna stop and ask if your a Democrate or Republican. The desired goal is a UNION ONE of Government & Religion and Members only shall survive whats coming in this near total distruction of all living things.
The only thing that has held back this Tide is our FUNDAMENTALS & BELIEFS, THE THINGS BO WANTS TO CHANGE.
The Government will accomplish nothing other than pushing us off the edge as a Soveriegn nation, subject to other nations rules, as in UNITED NATIONS, ONE WORLD ORDER. We will fall because we have continually elected those that desire our fall, the ones that continually talk out both sides of their mouths and we never listen or learn from the past and hope for better in the future, well it's not gonna happen. Mankind is incapable of self rule due to sin and desire for self, if unregenerated. How can there be any hope or true fundamental change to believe in with out remission of sins or any hope in anything they say or do?
THERE CAN'T BE, AND THERE ISN'T.
WE ARE IN TROUBLE.

Sam Von Pufendorf
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Sam Von Pufendorf 12/31/12 - 10:36 am
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Union pressure?

Huh! I always thought the ballot one cast was behind a curtain and was personal and private unless otherwise stated by the voter! The union could state its case for you to vote for candidates, but it was up to you, the voter, to vote ones conscience.

Union pressure? I belonged to a union for years. Initially I contributed through deduction to the union PAC until I realized the union was contributing to campaigns and lobbying efforts that I did not agree with. That contribution abruptly ceased! I never had another union member or officer in the voting booth with me! If asked by anyone who I voted for, I could choose to or not to tell them. Private and personal!

St Malachy... Ok, his prophecy was in 1130 in the reign of Innocent ll who was Pope #165. Benedict XVl, the current Pope, is #266 (101 Popes since Innocent ll) which would leave 11 more Popes until the prophecy is fulfilled. The average reign of a Catholic Pope is 7.6 years which leaves us, in all likelihood, 83.6 years until the good St's prophecy is realized.

Sam Von Pufendorf
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Sam Von Pufendorf 12/31/12 - 11:44 am
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RE: Solutions were not asked for

Of course you have facts to support your statement: "They are demanding that Republicans roll over and do it their way... or nothing at all."
From everything I have read, both sides have had movement. The Democrats raised the top tax bracket from $200K for single filers and $250K for joint filers to $400 and $450K respectively. Republicans have moved from not letting the cuts expire on anyone to letting them expire on filers earning $1 million or more. Democrats have moved on not cutting budgetary allocations on Social Security to adjusting the way SS payments are calculated thus reducing payments.
There has been movement in both houses of congress, by both parties and the president. But now, it is over things like the estate tax which would have effected roughly 3100 tax payers this year all which would have inherited $5 million or more. Taxes on capital gains that would affect about 1.2 million tax payers. These are not by any means the only revenue raising sticking points, but represent the major ones.
Budgetary cuts still in limbo are spending on the elderly, tuition tax credits and other education funding, unemployment extensions and agricultural funding ... again, among others.
The bigger issue such as a spending cap has evaded us and will be the next showdown. Again, with no solution in sight! Both parties again must assume some fault here. Increased spending will indeed be needed to pay on our debt. I know I know ... borrowing to pay on loans! But if you do the math, any increases in revenue and budgetary cuts will do nothing to solve our debt problem for 16 months or more. Until that time, some of that revenue will be used to pay interest on our current debt.
Is this enough movement by either side? No! I don't believe so. I still think there can be more done on tax reform to stretch across most income levels. Those earning $36K in most cases escape income tax at any rate due to ill conceived exemptions, credits and deductions. Of course many of those same exemptions, credits and deductions apply to the very welathy as well.
There has been confusion about what is taxed. INCOME not WEALTH is the point of allowing the tax cuts to expire. There is a huge difference between those two definitions.
Although this years elections supported no clear mandate for either party, we elected a Democratic president and the lower house of congress reduced the Republican majority by seven seats (200 D 235 R) and increased the Democratic majority by three seats in the upper house that gives the Democrats a 55-45 majority next year, assuming that independent Angus King, who won a Senate seat in Maine, teams up with the Democrats as expected.
Again, my belief is the 112th congress will apply a band aid to a hemorrhage and the 113th congress will have to deal with this ongoing mess. If recent history serves us, we will be at the edge of the cliff again in March if not sooner.

Brock Johnson
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Brock Johnson 12/31/12 - 11:28 am
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GOP

the modern GOP does not represent the working man in this country, not saying the democrats are any better. both parties are more inclined to do the bidding of their banksters and corporate masters and lobbying groups than doing what is right for America.

Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 12/31/12 - 12:05 pm
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SVP

Not to get off topic again but your math seems to be missing those 11 popes as the catholic church even knows that the Last, next Pope will be Peter of Rome, the 112th since 1139.
I was just pointing out the total disaray every where and our governments 112th congress possibly leading us into the END as a nation just as the next Pope #112 since Malachy's vision is supposed to lead the catholic church into the END of their religion.
The thing is as we both have said and can see as true, it makes no differance who is in control, they all are not working for the good of Americans and are in fact helping us all go off the Deep End which will cause ALL THE WORLD TO CRASH when we fall. The thing is TIMES THEY ARE A CHANGING, AND IT'S NOT FOR GOOD.

Have a GR8 New Year SVP and Keep Looking up as time is short.

leewaytooo
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leewaytooo 12/31/12 - 12:45 pm
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As even Robert Samuelson (no

"As even Robert Samuelson (no friend of Democrats) acknowledged, "From 2003 to 2006, when Republicans controlled the Senate, they filed cloture 130 times to break Democratic filibusters. Since 2007, when Democrats took charge, they've filed 257 cloture motions." The Senate's own records reveal obstructionism is the new normal for Republicans:

Following in the footsteps of Sen. Richard Shelby (R-AL), who placed a hold on over 70 of President Obama's nominees last year in order to extort tens of billions of dollars worth of pork for his state, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) threw a similar tantrum yesterday over a mere $50,000. Graham (R-SC) promised to shut down all executive branch and judicial confirmations in the Senate until he gets $50,000 to conduct a study on deepening the Port of Charleston.

The political scientist Barbara Sinclair has done the math. In the 1960s, she finds, "extended-debate-related problems" -- threatened or actual filibusters -- affected only 8 percent of major legislation. By the 1980s, that had risen to 27 percent. But after Democrats retook control of Congress in 2006 and Republicans found themselves in the minority, it soared to 70 percent.

Leave aside for the moment that small government icon Ronald Reagan tripled the national debt and signed 17 debt ceiling increases into law. (That might explain why the Gipper repeatedly demanded Congress boost his borrowing authority and called the oceans of red ink he bequeathed to America his greatest regret.) As it turns out, Republican majorities voted seven times to raise the debt ceiling under President Bush and the current GOP leadership team voted a combined 19 times to bump the debt limit $4 trillion during his tenure. (That vote tally included a "clean" debt ceiling increase in 2004, backed by 98 current House Republicans and 31 sitting GOP Senators.) - "

repukes all hypocrites

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cheapersmokes 12/31/12 - 06:21 pm
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Solve this problem now!

The only way to solve this problem is to start taxing those on the public nipple and just maybe they would get off of their couches and go find a job. Then they could also slightly raise the taxes on those high earners! Then cut the budget of all Federal Agencies 5% a year for the next 5 years also.

Sam Von Pufendorf
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Sam Von Pufendorf 12/31/12 - 08:15 pm
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RE: Solve

It is a dream to think we can solve our debt problem in the next five years and it will take the next decade to get our deficit spending under control.
We must remember, it took us thirty years to get to this point (in addition to some previous spending disorders). It is unrealistic to believe we will dig out of it in five or even ten. As for budget cuts of Federal Agencies. We need to remember, those agencies employ people, not only directly, but indirectly. Vendors, vendors to the vendors. The fiscal cliff represents on average an 8% - 10% immediate cut across the board, all agencies. The CBO predicted that would in itself cause about one and a half million jobs. Which means more jobless benefits paid out and more of a strain on an already ailing economy.
The tax issue? Agreed! Tax all benefits. Social Security, food stamps and all other social programs. Remove tax credits, exemptions and deductions so those making $30K actually pay income tax. And the high earners are subject to the same rules. Impose a 1% sales tax on all goods and services with no exemptions no exceptions. An additional .5 cents gasoline and fuel tax and an additional 2% alcohol tax and 5% more on tobacco. Impose a tax of 1% federal road tax on all vehicles. Raise user fees in all national parks and reserves and last but not least tax the churches. EVERYBODY would feel the pain!
We'll have so much money and guess what??? We'll still be able to [filtered word] it away!
note: I hope all could read the sarcasm into my post!

BigRedDog
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BigRedDog 12/31/12 - 08:55 pm
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Legalize and Tax the Heck

Legalize and tax the heck outta pot. Put a $25 an ounce sales tax on it Nationally, and that goes straight into SS. Be solvent in about 2 weeks! Then it will at least cost those suckers to sit on the couch!! We would get some of our money back from the public nipple locked 47%.

Sam Von Pufendorf
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Sam Von Pufendorf 12/31/12 - 09:54 pm
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Great idea!

BRD I really like and agree with your idea of taxing weed! However, your analysis of the 47% is a bit skewed. The 47% of Americans referenced by Mitt Romney were those who pay no Federal income tax.
In that 47% include all those that are retired and living off of pensions and social security, military serving over seas, most full time college students and those under the poverty level.

In addition, a couple with two children earning less than $26,400 will pay no federal income tax this year because their $11,600 standard deduction and four exemptions of $3,700 each reduce their taxable income to zero.

A hefty portion are zeroing out their federal income tax bill with other provisions, such as itemized deductions or the child tax credit.

Not everyone who pays no federal income tax is in the lower income brackets. A report released last spring by the Internal Revenue Service found more than 35,000 people who made more than $200,000 in 2009 also managed to zero out their tax bills.

In short, your idea is good, but your definition of the 47%. If it were simply those collecting money from the federal government you would need to include the following:
*Roughly 45 million people in the US collect at least $1130.00 per month from the SSA.
*Farmers collect $4.6 billion (over $15B in 2010) in direct subsidies annually. These subsidies reduce the price of milk by 40-50%, corn by 25% and wheat by 25%.

In other words, there is more to the 47% than simply the poor and or under privileged. However, there are many that need to be cut loose from the government teet.

http://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/quickfacts/stat_snapshot/

http://www.foxnews.com/topics/farm-subsidies.htm

http://farm.ewg.org/

http://www.economist.com/node/21563323

Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 01/01/13 - 12:20 am
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RU OK SVP?

You seem to be a little SICK UP AND FEED with this END TIMES political mess, but, i can't blame you and we really have no recourse or solution for solving our demise do we?
Hope you have a GR8 New Year and because we know who holds the Future, with our Hope placed in him and not the things of this present evil worlds systems, well be OK no matter what comes, will we not?
I know that i sure feel like im in the Wizard of OZ and the man behind the curtain pulling all the strings(BO)has no clue of the eternal consiquences for his choices as he goes thru his motions behind the curtain BSing all those stupid enough to believe that he has any powers or answers or means to really help anyone for a long period of time. Now thats a NIGHTMARE IN DC, rather than a Dream by the GOP.
Have a GR81 SVP,Your old fat instigating, but, trying not to do so as much buddy, JB.

Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 01/01/13 - 12:22 am
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We ALL HAD BETTER WAKE UP

AND REAL SOON! IF IT'S NOT ALREADY TOO LATE!

Sam Von Pufendorf
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Sam Von Pufendorf 01/01/13 - 12:37 am
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WoW

A list of Catholic Popes. All from Catholic sponsored sites. I believe it is your math that is incorrect.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12272b.htm

http://oce.catholic.com/index.php?title=List_of_Popes

http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=9502

A Pope is not given his name, but chooses it carefully.

Finally and more importantly, this from the Catholic Pages:

http://www.catholic-pages.com/grabbag/malachy.asp
which says: "It has been noticed concerning Petrus Romanus, who according to St. Malachy's list is to be the last pope, that the prophecy does not say that no popes will intervene between him and his predecessor designated Gloria olivæ. It merely says that he is to be the last, so that we may suppose as many popes as we please before 'Peter the Roman'."

Last post of 2012. And definitely the last post to address open ended prophecies, which you seem to have hundreds of! When one fails to materialize you simply pick up on another one! However, one day, you may be right and it will be the end times. Just keep guessing!
Just out of curiosity, how do you feel about Sunday? I have some things planned and I really don't want to go to in depth with my social calendar if the end is prior to that.
Happy New Year WoW! May we celebrate 2014,2015, 2016, 2017 ...

JOAT
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JOAT 01/01/13 - 02:22 am
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The bottom line...

"You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot help the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer. You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot establish sound security on borrowed money. You cannot keep out of trouble by spending more than you earn. You cannot build character and courage by taking away man's initiative and independence. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves."
-Abraham Lincoln

Fundamental truth; as sure as gravity.

leewaytooo
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leewaytooo 01/01/13 - 05:04 am
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there needs to be only one

there needs to be only one definition for the word "income".

why do you think ceo's take the majority of their compensation in the form of stock options?

because then they only have to pay 15% on the "income"
they receive in the form of dividends.

if you save your money in a bank in order to gain
interest/dividend on your money; money that you have
already paid taxes on; you have to add

that interest/dividend amount to your "income" to determine your "gross income" for that years taxes. you do not get to pay taxes at the rate of 15%, most likely higher.

repukes like to claim that the corporation that they have
stock/money in have already paid taxes so their paying 15%
on that "income" is fair.

first, what corporations actually pay any taxes??

GE paid none, and there are surely many more that have
paid the same, NONE.

level the playing field for everyone. not just for some.

if you want to have nine kids, and you can afford to do so, then do it. i say, you only get exemptions for two kids.

tax weed? that is after you make it legal? so?? it is a weed?
grows anywhere?? well, indoors for sure??

how about 25$ an ounce on booze???
get some of those lazy bar flys off their bums and keep
them at home where they cant run into that family of
nine. can you make booze at home?

oh no, nimby tax theories....

refurbish nine air craft carriers to be a weapons platform
for cruise missiles; with the ability to fire one every 10 secs
for a period of three hours.

build more boomers...

now you can cut the defense budget by 75%....

if you build it they will come"...

there is no reason to send in ground troops..
float like a butterfly and sting like a bee"

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