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Time for GOP to wake up from dream

Posted: December 28, 2012 - 9:39am

Ever see the movie, “Field of Dreams”? It’s about an Iowa corn farmer who hears voices telling him to build a baseball diamond in the middle of his corn field and the ghosts of Chicago White Sox players would come to play. In the movie, he built the field and they came.

It was a good movie, but none the less, fiction.

It appears the rationale behind the movie has become reality in the present day Republican party. Its members in Congress refuse to pass a budget using the excuse increased taxes for the rich will deter economic development. Yet, the Bush tax cuts have been in existence for over a decade and the economy tanked during that period.

The philosophy appears to be predominant throughout the GOP since Governor Parnell wants to implement large, immediate tax cuts for the oil companies without commitment to increased production.

Republicans were admittedly shocked when Obama was reelected. They said they were going to meet and readdress their party’s direction to get more in line with mainstream America. If this happens, perhaps they should place more emphasis on the “Joe the Plumber” group than the “Midas” clan.

A Field of Dreams? It’s time to wake up.

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Raoulduke
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Raoulduke 01/01/13 - 08:09 am
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the cliff

The CLIFF was a charade.Another fear tactic.The "fiscal cliff"was termed by the corporate media to give us a sense of urgency if there were a sense of urgency Do you not think our elected officials.Would have resolved this issue last year When they walked away from the table? Letting tax cuts expire.Would generate income. Now it is all expenditures. Doing away with the Bush tax cuts.The taxes we already had on the books.Shouldn't hurt as bad as the corporate media,or some politicians have led you to believe.

Sam Von Pufendorf
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Sam Von Pufendorf 01/04/13 - 08:45 am
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Only part of the bottom line!

"As the debt accelerated during the civil war in 1861, Lincoln imposed the first federal income tax by signing the Revenue Act. The Civil War income tax was the first tax paid on individual incomes by residents of the United States. It was a "progressive" tax in that it initially levied a tax of 3 percent on annual incomes over $600 ($14,800 inflation adjusted) but less than $10,000 ($141,800 inflation adjusted) and a tax of 5 percent on any income over $10,000. In 1864 the rates increased and the ceiling dropped so that incomes between $600 and $5,000 were taxed at 5 percent, with a 10 percent rate on the excess over $5,000. Passed as an emergency measure to finance the Union cause in the Civil War, the first income tax generated approximately $55 million in government revenues during the war. Paying the taxes was viewed as part of the patriotic war effort, and the whole country was proud when the merchant prince A. T. Stewart paid $400,000 in taxes on an income of $4 million."
"W" lowered taxes just as we entered two wars. Something that defied the laws of economics. More expenditures and fewer revenues with which to pay for those expenditures. As recently as 1986, the government was taxing income at a rate of 50% on incomes of $350,000 and dropped progressively to 11% on $7500. Prior to WW ll (1940) the tax rate at the top was 79% of incomes of $5 million and above. When we entered WWll the tax rate grew to 81% on $5 million and in 1942 the tax rate rose to 88% and the bracket was lowered to $2.75 million. In 1943 it was 88% on 2.6 million. 1944 it was 94% of $2.55 million. 1945 - 94% of $2.5 million. When the war ended, the income tax rate dropped to 91% on $2.1 million. In 1953 (Korean War) the tax rate rose again to 92% and the top bracket was $1.68 million. Not until 1964 did the tax rate make a significant downward move from 91 to 77% on $2.9 million with a bottom bracket of 16% on $7300. (All figures are inflation adjusted)
Current top corporate tax bracket is the same as the personal income tax bracket. In WW ll corporate tax was less than half of the top income tax bracket. Inverted from todays thinking? I think so!
I am not advocating a 90% tax, but I am advocating a more progressive income tax in which everyone pays, and a lower corporate tax to encourage job growth. A top, more progressive tax of 40% at the top is not extraordinary. My worry is how the government spends!!!

JOAT, I will agree with your post in principle. However, it is not the CEO that is paying the wages through his income. Those wages come through the corporation and therefore lowering corporate tax would do more to stimulate hiring than lowering the CEO's income tax.

Sources:
http://taxfoundation.org/article/us-federal-individual-income-tax-rates-...

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/Content/PDF/corporate_historical...

radiokenai
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radiokenai 01/01/13 - 09:23 am
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Simply Put....
Unpublished

Anyone who voted for obama falls into 3 categories:

1. Uninformed
2. Uneducated
3. Un-American

Which one were you? You should be ashamed of yourself for voting for the destruction of our America!!!!!

Have you Uninformed-Uneducated-Communists who voted for that jerk been paying attention to all the power that wingnut is seizing via executive power? Wake up Leeway!

I am reminded of this saying:

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a catholic.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

"Since it is obvious that the obama lovers have no clue about history (or they would have never voted for him) I will pass on that this relates to Hitlers takerover of the German People prior to WW2.

Sam Von Pufendorf
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Sam Von Pufendorf 01/01/13 - 10:01 am
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RE: The Cliff

Ben Bernanke first used the term "fiscal cliff" in February 2012 in front of congress. The cliff is real! Massive cuts coupled with a sudden increase in taxes on all brackets would more than likely drive us back into a recession and push unemployment over (the official) 9% and grow over the next two years.
The agreement delivered by the senate and being debated in the house is again a bandaid on a hemorrhage. Our government is unable to make long term fiscal decisions and instead places temporary measures on a growing and run away problem. Everyone wants to play ... no one wants to pay! A congress of two years is always more intent on getting re-elected than doing what is right for the country. Shame on them ... shame on us!

Sam Von Pufendorf
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Sam Von Pufendorf 01/02/13 - 09:07 am
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As predicted!

The legislation passed on the fiscal cliff has more temprorary measures along with a limited number of permanent provisions, to stave off the economic crisis.
This was actually the first and easiest step taken. There remains much more serious issues such as debt ceiling, spending cuts and budgetary issues. All of those hold much more sway over the economy than that which was addressed over the last few days.
Prepare for more political brinksmanship in the next few months. More finger pointing and even fewer solutions. We have taken a baby step away from the cliff, but a strong breeze will still push us over.

Suss
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Suss 01/02/13 - 11:26 am
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Tax Reduction Vote

Taxes were automatically raised on January 1st with the expiration of past tax reduction bills, so any vote after the first of January would be for a bill that would cause a new tax reduction from the default tax rate. Now congress can say they voted to reduce taxes when taxes have in fact increased. Sounds confusing but the gamesmanship was planned and played out for our entertainment.

Sam Von Pufendorf
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Sam Von Pufendorf 01/02/13 - 11:38 am
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RE: Tax Reduction Vote

Suss, you are correct! However, congress is counting on an uninformed and in many respects an illiterate citizenry. Yup, this gamesmanship may just fly! People ARE that gullible! They are to consumed with their own lives to actually follow the big picture.

Seafarer
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Seafarer 01/02/13 - 05:16 pm
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Perhaps Not " Too Consumed" With Their Lives

People are not "consumed" with their own lives...they are desparately trying to hang on. Most here are busy working and it seems all the public meetings, etc. are held when folks are working. You don't have a fisheries meeting right in the middle of fishing season, unless you are a repuke. The repukes are claiming victory when all they did was stall, stall, stall. When they gave in, it was to be their own heroes to their party. "We fixed it!" The holding hostage of an entire nation seems to be their go-to tactic. We'll see it again soon on the debt ceiling. Sickening. When are we going to find people willing to work for us? I'll tell you. When we get rid of the "Party System". We have NO Parties! We just vote for who we think will work for us. Campaigns for all who run will have free media time. Once again " any little boy (or girl) can be the President". No repukes, no Democrats. Just good people with a conscience. Not millionaire lawyers or "entrepeneurs". Everyone running starts and ends with the same amount of money.

That would be True Democracy. What a wonderful dream.

Sam Von Pufendorf
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Sam Von Pufendorf 01/02/13 - 07:59 pm
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Possibly Seafarer

But we live in the information age! In years past, we had to trust Walter Cronkite and David Brinkley for our information on national issues. Now, we have more information, but we are less informed. We have a greater voice, but we don't use it as we once did. We stay silent. We have all of the tools, we simply choose to not use them! Over time no one took those tools from us, we just gave them up.
What used to take a 30 minute news cast to get a singular and one sided view of issues can now be researched in 1/10 the time. But we choose not to! The meetings? Generally the minutes are on line. Voting records ... online. But we choose not to use any of the tools given to us and we normally use the excuse of "who has enough time?" Then we shop for deals on craigslist or ebay for an hour and a half. Or we get on Facebook or Twitter to see who's life may or may not be better than your own! Heck, most of us have the information highway in our pocket (smartphone) and don't use it for anything but texting, phone calls and looking up sports trivia!
What now takes us a couple of key strokes and few minutes used to take us a drive to the library and an hour or two. We just waste our time a little differently than we used to. But "I don't have time" is still the most popular excuse!

kenai123
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kenai123 01/02/13 - 11:49 pm
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The Fields of Dreams is any politician

The Fields of Dreams is any politician believing the dream that they can get Re-elected by promising their supporter GRANTS and money in general after they get into office.
The reason for all the financial fighting is because a substantial group of our political representatives need to payback those who got them Re-elected.
These politicians are using tax payer funds to finance their re-election campaigns. They would not need to be constantly increasing our budget if they
did not have constantly increasing budgets for there re-election. We need term limits for all our politicians, the same as the office of the President.

Sam Von Pufendorf
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Sam Von Pufendorf 01/03/13 - 06:33 am
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RE: Field of Dreams.

Kenai123, I have posted this previously, but since it very closely sums up both pf our posts I thought I might share it one more time. I must warn readers: This is a George Carlin clip and contains language that may not be suitable for some.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYIC0eZYEtI

As for term limits; we already have them! We the people limit the terms of office. As George said: "they don't want people capable of critical thinking." You need those people to change congress... to kick out the old and abusive and bring in the new and subservient. Only then will this country be back on track. Until then be happy with what you have!

Sam Von Pufendorf
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Sam Von Pufendorf 01/04/13 - 08:51 am
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The next "cliff"

The next cliff is the debt ceiling which is sure to be a more contentious fight in congress. Undoubtedly, there will be more political brinksmanship and finger pointing and a deal will be struck in the waning hours leading up to a possible government default.
A little history:
The debt limit has been raised a grand total of 78 times since 1960 - 49 times under Republican presidents and 29 times under Democratic presidents. I didn't research who controlled congress during all of these administrations, but here is a sampling of the last five presidents and the congress's that were seated at the time, Please note that I have not listed (where it may apply) if one party controlled both houses at the same time for full congressional control:

BH Obama has raised the debt limit three times for a total increase of $3 trillion or 26% from $11.3 trillion to $14.6.
2 years Democrat controlled house, 4 years Democrat controlled senate.

GW Bush increased the limit seven times in his presidency for a total increase of $5.35 trillion or 90% from $5.95 trillion to $11.3 trillion. 6 years Republican controlled house. 4 years Republican and 4 years Democrat controlled senate.

Bill Clinton raised the debt limit four times for a total increase of $1.8 trillion or an increase of 44% from $4.15 trillion to $5.95 trillion. 6 years Republican controlled congress (house and senate)

GHW Bush raised the debt ceiling four times for a total increase of $1.4 trillion or 48% from $2.8 trillion to $4.15 trillion. 4 years Democratically controlled congress (house and senate)

Ronald Reagan raised the debt limit seventeen times for a total increase of $1.86 trillion or 300% from $935 billion to $2.8 trillion. 0 years Rep house, 6 years Rep Senate. The birth of trickle down economics. We have been trickling down the drain ever since!

YES, we must get our debt under control! YES, we must make budgetary cuts that will undoubtedly be painful to all. YES, we will be uncomfortable in making these sacrifices. But that is why it is called "sacrifice."

The current generation nor the one before it truly knows sacrifice when compared to the generations that preceded them. It's time we put on our big boy and big girl pants and pay the piper!

Sources:

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL31967.pdf

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/moneymatters/tp/5-Presidents-Who-Raised-Th...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Presidents_and_control_of_Con...

Norseman
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Norseman 01/04/13 - 09:05 am
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Thanks for the history

Thanks for the history lesson. I agree that our DO NOTHING congress and the inability for compromise has brought our country to it's knees.
We need to quit electing the same ol politicans and get real people from the real world who realize that it is going to take COMPRIMISE to get our country back on it's feet again.

The only way that is gonna happen is to get big money out of the elections. We now have corporations and billionaires getting their puppets in all offices. Just look at our state for a great example of big oil getting their people in the legislature.

I along with the majority of our countrymen have had a bellyfull of the division between the parties and the political games they play. All at the cost of us average Joe's.

We either get the UNITED WE STAND back into the arena, or pretty soon we are going to be divided we fall.......

Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 01/04/13 - 11:32 am
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We're already DIVIDED WE FALL!!

Simply by reading thes posts here on the Clarion we see quit well that we are already Divided we fall and thats the end game plan. America must fall for the completed Fundamentasl Change to Believe in Dream Act, Field of Dreams to be accomplished. We will never be the United States of America again when the present plan is completed, HOW COULD WE?
I saw a GR8 cartoon this week on a web site i frequent. It showed Obama driving a team of mice pulling a pumpkin carriage off the cliff with the words American economy written on the side of the carriage. The thing i found funny was that it showed Obama with a Dunce Cap on, when in reality it's the American people that should have the Dunce Caps on.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/ is the web site, scroll down to the bottom and click on all the cartoons for some good laughs of reality for those that require site address's for proof.
We are about to really see what was voted in for 4 more yrs and if the last few days shows anything, we already have and it's not a Good view for anyone, no matter the party.
Good note for everyone. This is Obama's last term, Maybe, remember Kings change da rues for da peoples to try and live by.
No matter if you believe in him or not i will say this. GOD HELP US ALL FOR WHAT WE HAVE DONE.
Have a GR8 New Year.

Sam Von Pufendorf
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Sam Von Pufendorf 01/05/13 - 10:15 am
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Our representatives

The representatives we elect time after time have been indoctrinated into a "what's in it for me?" attitude. They no longer do the bidding of a nation, but the bidding of a small constituency. The result is expensive pork for the benefit of a few at the expense of the many! But, to be fair, they have little choice. If they don't bring home pork for the constituents, there is little hope for them to be re-elected. They're caught in a catch 22. I would like to see our representatives campaign more on what they have done for the nation and less on what they have done for their block of voters. Maybe then we could again be the "United" States. Maybe then we could address the issues that affect all of us and put this country on the right track.
The "what's in it for me" attitude has trickled all the way down to local government and in some respects, down to the family unit.
Will we be able to fix it? I don't know! Do we, as Americans, have that kind of resolve anymore?

Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 01/05/13 - 12:38 pm
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What Happened to the 5 Days promise?

Obama promised he would not SIGN any bill until after 5 days so the public could have time to read it. OOPS! Looks like he also has a hard time with simple numbers and the ability to count to 5 & broke this promise before we even got past 5 days in the new year.
I truly hope that the GOP stands and delivers on their promises of no secret meeting or deals behind closed doors with the MOST FORTHRIGHT AND OUT IN THE OPEN president we have every had to PROMISE SUCH.
It is amazing how many Americans will not accept or believe the Plain Truth of whats happening daily with both parties in this massive deception of the American people.
This artificial inseminating of nonstop lies articicial proping up of our crashing economy and nation has got to stop being accepted as Truth. Take the stock exchange for instance, what a farce and outright lie of manipulation of people for gain.
Wake up America, neither party is going to produce a savior that can save us from whats coming very soon, as ALL INDICATORS show.
Obama will never tell the truth or be transparent other than showing his real side of a Fundamentally changed America, which means a destroyed America, with the help of the GOP as he gets-r-done.
As i have warned many times before, you had all better be preparing for massive troubles and a time when we will be totally isolated from any imports as a state set apart, which may in fact be a blessing for our survival.

Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 01/05/13 - 08:20 pm
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I'm a Prepper, Your a Prepper

It's almost time for everyone to wake up and realize that their Dream Party is actually a Nightmare, no matter which one we espouse, BUT, primarily the present one which rules the WH. Hopefully you are indeed a Prepper and recent History has taught you well.

Watchman on the Wall
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Watchman on the Wall 01/06/13 - 04:54 pm
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Whats the problem here?

Come on folks lets here some more about who is Dreaming and who is not.
Did ya see where Our Prez. Obama broke his second promise of not signing any bills until 5 days had passed so the public can have time to read the bills? Yepper, #2 bill in 6 days was signed on the Hurricane Sandy relief bill by his truthfullness.
Oh and did you see where not only are we getting John Kerry as Sec. of State, we are now possibly gonna get the Anti-Semite Chuck Hagle as Sec. of Defense? Boy howdy these two should make everyone repent and realize that we are really in the Last Days as a Soveriegn Nation under this Chosen One and that the DREAM is almost over for ALL OF US, not just the GOP.
So hows your future really looking folks and just exactly who is living in a Field of Dreams with this New Hope of give it all away and they, those that seek our nations demise as well as nonproductive freeloaders, lovers of self, rather than lovers of God, will come?
I of course am not worried for self, but, for those that have been deceived into a monster lie, Dream of prolonged nothingness and total distruction of OUR Nation.
Whats next i wonder in this Kingdom that resembles Egypt and Prez. Morsi?

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