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Reactions to lockdown show lack of trust

Posted: May 11, 2014 - 4:22pm  |  Updated: May 12, 2014 - 8:34am

Let’s talk about lock downs.

My four grandchildren came home (Thursday) after the Nikiski schools locked down. Why there was a lock down isn’t important.

I asked them if they were frightened during that time. As expected, fear is repressed and in spite of the games they played and the engaging conversations they had, they all said yes, they were afraid. Now I wondered why. Why are my grandchildren frightened during a school lock down?

Fear is natural and has a good purpose. It makes us do the right things to protect ourselves.

But why are my grandchildren frightened during a lock down? Was it from a lack of trust?

I asked, “Didn’t the Troopers show up?” They did, but the kids talked about how the Troopers took away their fathers and mothers and friends they knew. The presence of the Troopers did not alleviate the fear. Too many bad memories.

I asked, “Didn’t you trust the teachers?” They confessed that they didn’t because they never knew what was going on. They were told to be quiet and to not ask questions.

Like all grandfathers, my grandchildren are precious to me. If they are frightened, I want to know why. When I hear that there was no reassurances of their safety by competent, trained adults who earned their trust by their demonstrated ability and I think that my grandchildren are kept in a darkened room (to suggest it is not used) and kept quiet, without knowing why and without knowing that people are there to protect them, I grow very angry.

Angry? Yes! Angry that my grandchildren are placed in a situation where they have no real trust in the adults, in whose care they are.

The solution? Perhaps we need a wider discussion to find the answers. Is there something wrong with the trust issue with Alaska’s Troopers? How about the trust relationships between family members? Are the schools doing enough to train and possibly arm teachers? Do the teachers engender trust and confidence with students?

Can we discuss these issues or are we too afraid ourselves to talk about what is necessary to keep our children safe?

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Norseman
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Norseman 05/12/14 - 12:19 pm
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you never miss a chance to

you never miss a chance to stir up a controversy when it comes to state troopers and schools.

Suss
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Suss 05/12/14 - 04:43 pm
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Let it be

There is much not to be said. Respect the privacy, that is foremost. As a grandfather do what you would to make things better, no need for militia, gun talk or blaming Troopers and schools.

Please hold your thoughts and your kids.

KBBI had news.

"People want to know everything but we can't give out all of the information," said Erkeneff. "We can just assure that all of our students ... are safe right now. That's the priority. I just ask for parents to trust us. We're keeping kids safe and working with law enforcement."

http://www.kbbi.org/content/troopers-catch-nikiski-teacher-accused-inapp...

AlaskaDispatch posted more

http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/20140512/nikiski-school-music-teac...

leewaytooo
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leewaytooo 05/12/14 - 03:17 pm
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well, if children are

well, if children are surrounded by psychotic behavior I could

see where that behavior would make any child distrustful...

pointless to try to discuss anything anywhere with a psychotic

person... best to just keep monitoring their behavior .....

fortunately people are paid to do so..........

normolson
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normolson 05/12/14 - 08:39 pm
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You delight me with your uploads

It's alway a delight to inspire the derision of the naysayers who are quick to respond. You should know that I do not read your missives, nor do I really care what my carpers have to say. ....nor do I lower myself to acknowledge your opinions. Exceptions will be given to those who see what I am trying to convey.... The rest of my shallow-minded detractors have no part..
On the subject of being angry with those who frighten my grandchildren... bring it on. Any grandfather would feel the same way. I guess you all are in favor of using fear to condition children to obey, without question, the demands of authority that has been proven to be unTRUSTWORTHY. So bring it on. My children and grandchildren trust ME when they are at home. Would to God that they could trust YOU!!!!!!

Raoulduke
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Raoulduke 05/12/14 - 09:42 pm
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Acknowledge

You do read the missives.You do care. What the carpers say.You have lowered yourself to acknowledge the carpers opinions. Just your comments title makes you self contradicting.

aknativewoman
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aknativewoman 05/13/14 - 08:38 am
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You have trust issues

I noticed you mentioned your grandchildren didn't trust the troopers as they took away their parents and friends - are you saying your son/daughter/inlaw has been in trouble with the law? Is it you that has personal issues with the law? What drives you to continue with these negative statements? You seem to be against government organizations. I believe you are shaping your grandchildren into mini-you versions, and as to the remark about the lockdown being unimportant . . . you are a very narrow-minded individual who loves to read all the responses (oh, yes you do) to your unkind, unfair remarks about our troopers/police officers/safety officers. I wonder what you would post if you had an event take place where one of these groups would need to come to your assistance - would you even admit it? Would you thank them, praise them, to their faces, in this newspaper?

normolson
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normolson 05/13/14 - 08:05 pm
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Nativewoman.... You tell me

No, my children and grandchildren are discipled and trained very well to not find themselves in situations where law enforcement would intervene in a negative way. I don't know how old you are, but when I was a kid, the cops were my heroes... They wore the "white hats".. They could be trusted and you knew that no matter what happened, they'd bring you home safely and talk to your folks. They protected the kids in a special way. But look around you today... cops look more like Kevlar clad storm troopers. They wear masks, they dress like something out of Starwars. They provoke fear rather than dispel it.
When others in the school told my grandchildren that they didn't trust or like the Troopers, it was because the Troopers had taken THEIR parents, friends, and relatives away... Nothing good was said about the Troopers by other children during the lock-down...
Does this make any sense to you? If it doesn't, then I'm even more concerned that adults do not see what these children are being conditioned to believe.

It just makes me angry that the Troopers who ought to be working WITH the children to inspire trust and confidence are doing just the opposite. I know how to fix this problem, but no one is listening.

normolson
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normolson 05/13/14 - 08:50 pm
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Here's to the Troopers That Are Monitoring This Blog

Here's your challenge... You know that I've written to you a few months ago about your vetting procedure and the ethics and knowledge of the Constitution that newbys have when you hire them. That discussion lasted a few days... I also asked you about Townhall meetings when you can speak to the public about their fears, concerns, and YOUR EFFORT to instill confidence and trust. In response (I believe) you started a school where ordinary citizens can learn more about the Troopers and their work. Some of my friends graduated from your courses, that lasted (I believe) a couple weeks....
All well and good, but now let's really talk about the most impressionable people around us who we interact with EVERY DAY: The kids in the highschools. Troopers: you have a big job ahead of you. Many of the kids think you are nothing more than paid mercenaries out to increase the Burough's revenue. You're main area of interest are the highways where you can stop anyone for any reason and then check whether they are totally legal... Is it any wonder than the kids in the highschool (during the recent lockdown) consider you as only those who stop, search, arrest, and "take away their parents, friends, and relatives" Based on what the young people say and think of you, YOU HAVE A BIG JOB AHEAD OF YOU. The recent lockdown at the Nikiski schools gave light to the problem you face. "How are you going to engender trust and confidence in the young people?" You haven't inneractived with them very often... You haven't brought them into the gym and talked with them... You haven't showed your abilities or skills in dealing with various threats TO THEIR SAFETY. They want to see that you are on their side.. They want to see that you can really do your job... NO, not with alien-looking goons who descend on a problem, ordering that young people be locked down in darkened rooms, and ordered to be silent.
Come on! Where's your priorities? Kids want to see winners... They watch video enough to know that good guys often become the bad guys... People grow frightened MORE of you than the perps who have come to endanger them! What are you going to do about that??

If you really want to discuss this "disconnect" and how to fix it, let me know. I'd be glad to appear on a stage with Troopers who REALLY wanted to instill confidence in our youth. You can start by realizing that every person you arrest has children who will hear of the anger and the rage YOU INSTILLED in that father or mother you stopped on the Spur for some infraction and then found some pot or something else that you wanted to turn into a bigger charge.

Dammit, why don't realize that these people have children who go to school who end up in a lockdown and who are more frightened by YOU than by the rumored perpetrator of some crime that NOT ONE CHILD can deal with, because you lock them down in darkened rooms and order them to remain quiet.

Please let me know if you want me to introduce you on a stage before the entire student body... If you don't get this issued settled, you will regret that you have dismissed some of the best "intel" available to you.

Norm Olson.. (You can google me: Norm Olson Militia) if you want to profile.

Suss
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Suss 05/13/14 - 10:39 pm
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Flawed Knowledge

The Borough does not benefit financially from Trooper enforcement actions. There is no "Burough's revenue" to be gained.

I believe Olson's solution to law enforcement is a Sheriff. The all powerful and militia darling, Sheriff. Good luck getting that written into law.

My belief is somebody got their feelings hurt because of the totally appropriate limited information given out at the inception and the following days when this matter surfaced. There are confidentiality reasons and laws that were followed precluding much of the information from going public.

The last person I want attempting to influence children is a self proclaimed militia maven that has a very narrow and damaging agenda.

So if the Troopers do not wish to accept Olson's invitation does that snub fuel his rants and fear mongering?

So the uniforms and gear that the Troopers have bothers or scares some people. Yes, I would suppose that would be the purpose when they go to battle someone that poses a threat to society.

It might not be nice but it sure as hell is needed when the mad man comes unglued.

“People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.”
― George Orwell

Live your life like most folks do and interactions with the Troopers won't be an issue to get upset about.

Most pot charges are only a fine. Sure it is silly but it is not the way it was or is in places that put you away in jail for small amounts of marijuana.

The Clarion could do one of their polls:
Which group scares you the most,
Militias or Troopers?

aknativewoman
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aknativewoman 05/14/14 - 08:57 am
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That explains it . . .

Normolson, take your delusional, negative attitudes to our government, our law enforcement, and our schools and move! I can understand why people step away from you, who would want to dignify your horrible interpretation of how the law should operate? Suss, you stated it perfectly, thanks for putting it out there!

Norseman
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Norseman 05/14/14 - 05:58 pm
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All one has to remember is

All one has to remember is the redoubt reporter interview sometime back when norm was quoted as, "just itching for one last stand." To go out in a blaze of glory against the government and it's black booted thugs.

Notice how he is always looking for a stage to perform on? Thank gawd the FBI and Homeland security keep close tabs on the militia and it's members. Wasn't that long ago that the Fairbanks militia leader was put behind bars for his two fer one plan of death. I think he had singled out troopers, judges, and their families.

I for one praise and admire our fine law enforcement. Whackos, nutjobs, wingnuts, and other lowlifes they have to deal with daily so we don't have to. My hat is off to them.

beaverlooper
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beaverlooper 05/16/14 - 03:54 pm
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Many of these children are

Many of these children are safer at school than they are at home.
Norm, they have procedures they follow which aren't and should not be made public. If every nut job out there knew exactly how they worked the next time this happened, possibly because of you, you've obviously gone off the deep end,lockdown would be useless.
You sir are the fear monger.I know your posts disturb me.

leewaytooo
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leewaytooo 05/17/14 - 04:03 am
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"If you don't get this issued

"If you don't get this issued settled, you will regret that you have dismissed some of the best "intel" available to you."

the above sounds like a threat ............

cant be anything other than a threat......

hutchca
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hutchca 05/19/14 - 03:03 pm
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Fear and local law enforcement

I guess I read to much of what happens in little corners of the "lower 48". With that and recently hearing a story about a co worker traveling to a family funeral in Idaho/Montana area who was stopped due to a broken headlight on a rental car, I too am suspicious of law enforcement. And I do not want my child or myself to be subject to what happened in Nikiski or to this guy driving with a broken taillight.

After considerable questioning for truly irrelevant information, the officer wanted to know whether there was a weapon and to search the vehicle. The police officer passenger in the front seat said, "give him what he wants and lets go" (lets accept being terrorized), the co-worker said "no" and the officer returned to his vehicle to call for back up. Of all things, the officer is calling for back up for a broken taillight.

Just so happens the co-worker had grown up in the area and had friends and acquantances. The duly officer asked the name of the person who was stopped. Upon hearing the name and his residence, Soldotna, Alaska; the duty officer said to let him go and back up was NOT coming.

I do not doubt there are officers that get carried away with their badge and gun and lose sight of the real issues, like make the citizenry feel secure and unafraid. I know of this because my brother in law was a Anchorage policeman. But the real issue (thoroughly expressed in these comments) is that "we the people" have become so anestisized (sp) to the these situations that we have become/or are becoming defensive when the truth is put before our eyes.

And yes the local police have become militarized. They do not admit it; but the vehicles and equipment are evident around us frequently. We are at a tipping point, and it is time for all the Egyptians making comments (people from the land of "de Nile") to open their eyes and start paying attention to what can make a difference. Denial is a not a means to improvement.

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